SR 832: The Importance of Outdoor Play – Aby Rinella (Best of 2019)

“Outdoor play is a child’s natural inclination and is crucial for their physical and mental health.” ~ Aby Rinella

Watch this full interview on our YouTube Channel.

In this “best of” episode from 2019, Aby Rinella was back for her second episode ever! Aby and Yvette Hampton, discuss how we were created to be in the garden, and the importance of getting our kids, and ourselves, OUTSIDE! There are SO many benefits to the great outdoors, including dirt, sun, exercise, and especially, pointing our kids to their Creator through His creation! 

Aby’s first episode on the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast was “the Why of Homeschooling”. Don’t miss this episode if you haven’t already heard it. It is excellent! She and Karen DeBeus also recorded a special 1-hour roundtable, “The Who, Why, and How of Homeschooling”, which you can listen to here.

📚 Topics Covered:

– Benefits of outdoor play

– The decline of outdoor play and its impact

– Engaging children in less extreme outdoor activities

– Connecting outdoor play with biblical principles

– Addressing fears of outdoor activities

– Practical tips for incorporating nature

– Physical and mental benefits of outdoor play

– Practical ways to integrate nature into daily life

– Summer break opportunities for homeschooling families

Come back tomorrow, Wednesday, and Thursday for another “best of” conversation with Dr. Josh Mulvihill.

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Call of the Wild ~ Jack London

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Discussion Questions:

1. **Reflection on Outdoor Play**: Aby Rinella emphasizes the natural inclination of children to play outdoors. How do you observe this natural tendency manifesting in your own children or childhood experiences?

2. **Screen Time vs. Outdoor Time**: Both Aby and Yvette highlight the decline in unstructured outdoor play due to the rise in screen time. What are some strategies you’ve found effective in balancing screen time with outdoor activities in your family?

3. **Facing Fears**: Yvette Hampton brings up common fears associated with outdoor play, such as ticks and sunburn. How do you manage and mitigate these concerns in your household to encourage outdoor activities?

4. **Creative Outdoor Activities**: Aby suggests non-traditional outdoor activities like painting or visiting a garden center. What unique outdoor activities have you tried or would like to try with your children?

5. **Homeschooling and Outdoor Play**: How does your homeschooling routine incorporate outdoor play, and what benefits have you observed from this?

6. **Encouragement for Teens**: Aby speaks about the importance of outdoor activities for teenagers. What are some effective ways to encourage teenagers, who may be initially resistant, to spend more time outside?

7. **Biblical Connections**: The episode links outdoor play to biblical principles and the opportunity for children to connect with God through nature. How have you seen nature play a role in your family’s spiritual development?

8. **Mental and Physical Benefits**: The episode discusses the physical and mental health benefits of outdoor play, such as walking on uneven ground for mental equilibrium. What specific benefits have you observed in your children?

9. **Parental Influence**: Aby and Yvette emphasize the role of parents in fostering a love for outdoor play. How do you model and communicate the importance of outdoor activities to your children?

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Hey everyone, this is Yvette Hampton. Welcome back to the Schoolhouse Rocked

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podcast. Our family will be on the road some this summer, and so we thought

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we would bring you some of our best episodes, and we are excited to share

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out again at bjupresshomeschool.com now enjoy this

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best of episode from the Schoolhouse Rocked podcast.

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Hey everyone, this is Yvette Hampton. Welcome back to the Schoolhouse

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Rocked Podcast. I have a fun guest on again today.

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You have heard her before, and we have had such a great response to our

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first podcast that we did with her that we decided to do another one on

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a different topic. Her name is Aby Rinella, and she is a sweet friend

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of mine. I know that those who have not heard her yet are going to

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be greatly encouraged by her and those of you who have heard her.

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Well, she’s back, so I know you’re excited about that. Aby, welcome

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back to the podcast. Thanks so much for having me, Yvette. I’m excited to be

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here. Yes, yes. So glad to have you back. We talked last time

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when you were on the podcast about the why of homeschooling, and that

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has been by far one of the most popular episodes we’ve done. Just

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have gotten such a great response from that and letters that have come in from

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some listeners as to just how God has worked through

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that episode and really encouraged their hearts as to

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why they are homeschooling or why they’re choosing to homeschool this next year.

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So I’m so glad to have you on. If you guys haven’t

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listened to that podcast, we’ll link that in the show notes, but definitely go back

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and listen to that one again because it is a great episode. But

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today we are going to be talking about something that we haven’t talked much about

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on the podcast, and we have listeners who will write in and

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ask for different topics and stuff. And a while back, we had someone

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ask us to talk about the importance of outdoor play,

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and I was like, this is the perfect one for Aby because you guys are

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a huge, outdoorsy kind of family. And so,

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so we’re going to talk about that today. Tell us, tell us kind of what,

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what your family looks like on a, not, not

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your daily schedule, but kind of your typical family, what

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it looks like, because I know you guys spend a lot of time outdoors, so

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kind of introduce us to your family in that sense. Okay. So

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we, and just to introduce myself a little bit, if you haven’t heard the other

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one, we have three kids, fifth grade, second grade,

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and soon to be kindergarten. So we, my husband and I

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were very outdoors oriented before we had kids. We love to

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do anything outdoors. We happen to live in a mountain air town, mountain

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area, and we love to hike and backpack, fish and hunt.

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And that’s just kind of who we were and what we did. So then when

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we had kids, we really just didn’t believe

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that that part of our life needed to end, that God gave us these kids

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and we can work them into that. And so from the day

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we had children, they have been out with us, you know,

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three days out of the hospital with one of my kids, we were out, you

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know, hunting with that child. And so it’s really been the way that my

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kids have been raised. And so, you know, it does,

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you do have to think ahead and it’s really exciting. But

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really, we spend, I would say, more time outdoors than

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anything else and taking our kids with us from the beginning all

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throughout. So it’s really, it’s important to our family, but more than that, we really

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think it’s really beneficial to our kids as a

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whole. Yeah. You and I lead completely

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parallel lives in a lot of ways and completely separate lives in a lot of

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ways. And it’s so funny when I talk to you and we, you know, you

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talk about you guys being outside because you live in Idaho where it is stinking,

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freezing cold. Now I’m the southern California

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girl. I’m, now, you know, we’ve been in Georgia for a little while, but I’m

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in the part of the world where it’s hot and even through the

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winter time, you know, it’s not unusual for us to wear shorts and a t

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shirt because it can be hot. It gets cold, too. But,

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you know, that’s unheard of in Idaho. You would, well, I don’t know, maybe you

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would wear shorts in the middle. Of winter, but in the middle of. Winter, it’s

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really cold there. And so you, even

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through your homeschool time, you still find ways, even in the snow and in

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the middle of winter, to get outside

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and experience just the beauty of God’s

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creation. And now we’re getting into summertime, you know, when, as this podcast

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is coming out, it’s summertime. And so people are finding different ways

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to spend time outside with their kids.

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Right. How is summer break with that in the process right now?

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How is that unique to homeschool families and how

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can we make that fun for our kids? Well, I think

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I’ve given a lot of thought. I think summer break is really unique to homeschool

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families in that many families who send their kids to school all

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year, it takes them a while to acclimate to being home and to being

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together. Those siblings haven’t been together a lot, and it takes mom a little

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bit of time to kind of get her footing when there’s kids

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under her feet all day and that’s kind of new to them. Or kids come

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home in the summer and they haven’t seen their toys, and, you know, all year

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they’ve been so busy, and so a lot of those kids are really content to

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sit inside and rediscover those things. And

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homeschooling is unique in that we’ve been together all year, and we don’t need

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to re acclimate when it’s break time. So summer break, I feel like

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for everybody, but especially for homeschoolers, it’s really an opportunity to get

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outside, do something outside of what we normally do together,

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because we’re still together, we’re still learning and growing all

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summer long. And I think summer is also a great opportunity for those that

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historically don’t spend a lot of time outside to get out. The

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weather’s a little nicer. It’s a little easier, honestly.

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So for homeschooling families, our kids don’t have the

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newness of being home in the summer. So it’s a great opportunity to really get

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out of the house in the summer. Yeah, it is. We

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I really had to work on that myself with getting my kids outside

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and being comfortable with it. When we were back in

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California several years ago, Brooklyn was pretty little, and

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we had bought a new house and we had this beautiful backyard put in with

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a big playset and grass and everything. But before that was put in,

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there was just dirt in the backyard. And she would go out there and she

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would play for hours and hours in the dirt. And I really had a hard

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time with that because I was not a kid who played in the dirt. I

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wanted my hands always to be clean. I still am like that. I

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never gardened or did anything because I can’t stand the feeling of dirt on

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my hands. And. And so when she would do that, it

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would kind of freak me out because I was like, her hands are dirty.

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I don’t know what to do with this. And we had this backyard put

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in with the grass and everything. And I vividly remember she was probably

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four years old when we had this done. And she went outside

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and she looked at me, she goes, mommy, where’s the dirt? And I was

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like, we just spent all this money to make this beautiful

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park looking backyard with a swing set and

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grass, and. And I thought it was the greatest thing ever. And she was

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disappointed because she didn’t have dirt. Yeah. So she found

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a little area. I mean, she did, of course, play in the grass and on

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the swing set, but she found this little area of our backyard where the

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grass didn’t grow very well because it never really got sun. And that was

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her dirt area. And she would go out and she would find worms and she

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would. And so it took me quite a long time to

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actually get comfortable with her playing. Okay with that? Yeah.

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Honestly, for kids, I mean, I believe wholeheartedly. Well, I know

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biblically that’s how they’re designed. That’s how we’re created. We were created in the garden.

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We were created. I mean, before sin crept in, the ideal

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setting for a human was outdoors in the garden. Really

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didn’t even need shelter because, you know, there were no storms and all

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that we needed shelter from. And so kids are. It’s in

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them, and the only way we get it out of them is by. Is by

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training it out of them, by pulling them inside or,

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you know, giving them the perfect grass lawn. And then we kind of train that.

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That deep that what’s inside of them out of them, because

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there’s not a kid early on that doesn’t

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love to be outside and play. And, you know, we, as a culture, we’re

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such a clean culture. We’re so, you know, sanitize your hands

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and. But honestly, the physical benefits of

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kids being in dirt, it’s shown scientifically to boost their immune

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system, honestly. And it’s so good for them. And it breeds just

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so much creativity, too. Like, she was out there coming up with new games,

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right, and, you know, inventing things that were fun for her to do.

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So it’s. It’s in every kid, and it’s just our job as a parent

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to not train that out of them. And if you have older kids, you

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know, you can get that back because it’s in all of us. It just. We

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have to. We have to do it. So what are some ways, practical ways that

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you can do that? If you’re maybe a family who is not a big

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outdoorsy family, your kids don’t go play in the dirt. How

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can you encourage that? And then what are some things that you can do? Because

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I imagine now my girls are, they have kind of, I think,

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a balance of indoor play and outdoor play.

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But I’m always surprised at the things that they can come up with

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when they’re outside. What are some practical ways that people

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can instill that in their kids and help them to become creative,

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though? I know they don’t always need help being creative. Right? They don’t, but we

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need to get them back to that state. I think the first thing a parent

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can do is really just find the passion themselves. Like,

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like eliminate. Like you said, it took you a while to get used to that,

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but I think one of the ways that parents can just

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fuel that in their kids is themselves knowing how good it is for the kid.

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You know, in the last two decades, it’s

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unbelievable the changes that we’ve seen in kids. It’s now, the average

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child now spends 30 minutes a day with unstructured

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play outside and 7 hours a day. This statistic blows my

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mind every time I read it in front of a screen. Wow.

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So it’s totally shifted in the last two decades. So

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we as parents kind of need to untrain that in ourselves and

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retrain what’s best for our kids and just educate

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ourselves. Knowing that physically outdoor play is so

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beneficial for our kids. It’s good for their health. It’s good for their mental health.

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adhd symptoms immediately drop

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when they’re outdoors. And that’s why after working in the public school a

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lot, kids are often on adhd medications in the school to get

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them to be still. But parents take them off in the summer, and that’s because

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when they’re playing outside, it’s not just that they’re allowed to

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be free, but also it lowers those symptoms

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because it’s just, it’s a release for them to be out there, and they use

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their creativity and they get fresh air and vitamin D, and it just, it’s

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physically good for kids. And the academic

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benefits. Also, when they study schools that have, like, environmental

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programs or more recess, those kids are scoring higher on

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tests. They’re doing better and all across the board academically.

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So we, as homeschool parents, we just have the

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freedom to do it anytime we want. We can. Our kids can be

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outside anytime they want because it’s physically, emotionally,

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and mentally good for our kids. So I think when parents get on board with

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that, then it’s going to be easier to facilitate ways of

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getting our kids out there. So I think that’s probably the first

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step is knowing how good it is for our kids and then,

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and then how to actually do it. It really depends on where you live.

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I know not everybody lives like we do. Not everybody’s going to go spend nine

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days in the backcountry with their kids. But it doesn’t have to be that,

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honestly. It can be, you know, a community garden. Just having your

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hands in the dirt in a community garden. Or if you have a child

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that loves to read, you know, just send them outside to read,

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find a stream, find a park, find somewhere outside

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and. And take them and do what they already love to do

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outside. So those are really good ways of just practically

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doing it. Go for walks, ride your bike. It

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really does come naturally once you start doing it because you naturally feel

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better and you see the benefits in your kids. So. So

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those are some practical ways, whether you’re, you know, living rurally,

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obviously, if you live rurally, it’s a lot easier. But there’s so many ways anywhere

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you live to be outside. Yeah. I think being

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intentional about it is a big thing for people, you know, for moms especially, like

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myself, who. It doesn’t come naturally to me. You know, my kids

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don’t. I mean, they have very little screen time,

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but they also don’t go outside nearly as much as

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I think that they should be outside. And, and

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so it’s. It’s really for myself, I

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have to be intentional about them going outside and playing and doing

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the things that they should be doing and just being creative. But

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one of the things that I find for myself, and this might sound really

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weird to somebody like you, but one of the things I find for

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myself is that I become fearful of them,

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you know, getting ticks or getting

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sunburned or, you know, there are all these

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fears, you know, that there’s going to be a snake outside or

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something. And so I really have to

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check myself and just think, okay, God made the outdoors.

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happens, well, then we deal with it at the time.

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them. And, and that, I know that’s a. Strange fear, but

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that can be, like for us because we are outside so much.

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I feel that same fear that you fear like, that, oh, my goodness. People’s germs.

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what you’re used to, what you’re familiar with, if you’re not familiar with the

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outdoors. But what an awesome opportunity then to go to the library and

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get books on, you know, what kind of organisms live, where we live,

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what’s growing in our yard, what kind of animals. Let’s do a snake study

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so that we can identify a rattlesnake, you know, versus

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a boa, like, which animals

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live out there? And also to really teach our kids that we do need to

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be aware, you know, when we live in an area where there are a lot

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of rattlesnakes. So my kids have identified rattlesnakes. But to

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release that fear and know, but also to speak to

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kind of probably more moms that are more like you than me, it doesn’t have

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to be that you’re going out into the middle of nowhere. It can honestly just

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be that when your kid wants to do watercolor paints, you

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lay a blanket out in the yard and let them watercolor out there.

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No, because they’re still getting the fresh air, they’re getting the sun.

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It doesn’t have to be extreme. We are probably more extreme than

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most, but it doesn’t have to be that way. The benefits of your kids being

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out. It doesn’t have to be extreme. You know, go take them

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to a garden center and pick out plants and pots and bring

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them home and let them plant. And even just that, there’s your

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biology. You know, you’ve got your. You’ve got so much you can

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learn in the outdoors as well, giving kids a hands on approach rather than

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reading about it. So those are some ways that parents can work

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that into their kids lives. Yeah. Even going out in

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the rain. You know, when I was a kid, we didn’t go out in the

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rain. Like, it’s so funny. My mom always thought, well,

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if you go out in the rain, you’re gonna catch a cold. And

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we’ve since learned that that is not true. That’s not true. Not

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true. And so I remember years ago, we used to have

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a exchange student from China. She lived with us. This is about

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four years ago, and she lived with us for the whole school year.

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started raining, but it was summertime, and it was pretty unusual for it to

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rain in the middle of summer. Where we lived in California. But this one

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day, it started raining, and it was really warm outside, and it was maybe

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late spring, but it was really warm outside, and so it wasn’t freezing cold or

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anything. And the girls said, can we go outside and just play in the rain?

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not. Why would you do that? Stay inside when it rains?

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And then I thought, why not? It’s not going to hurt them. And so they

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went outside, and, I mean, they. It was pouring, it was a torrential

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downpour, and they got drenched. And they

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had. They still talk about that till this day. And I remember our chinese

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exchange student, she came outside, and she looked at them. She was like,

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what are they doing? They’re playing in the rain. She said,

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oh, we would never do that in China. Our parents would never, ever,

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ever let us do something like that. And. And so it’s,

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you know, a cultural thing for people, too, but. But it was

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just so fun. And they still, like you said, they still talk about that day

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where they got to go outside and just play in the rain and get

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completely soaking wet. And it was just. It was a fun thing for them

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to do. And so often I have to ask myself, why not,

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like, what’s wrong with them wanting to do this? You know, why can’t they do

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it? Why do I feel the way that I feel about them going outside? You

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know, why do I fear the things I fear? Why can’t they go in the

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rain? And I think one of the most. One thing that I love about homeschooling

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so much is that because we’re not bound by anyone else’s schedule,

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we tend to school around the weather. Like, if

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it’s. If it’s a day that they want to go outside, then that’s when our

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spring break is. You know, then that’s when they go outside. And if it’s a

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day, you know, it’s been raining here for ten days, which is not for normal

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for us, but for the first few days, they were outside playing in the rain,

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and they loved it, and they played. I mean, the creativity that comes out

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of a kid when you get rid of the craft closet and you get rid

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of the iPads and you get rid of all the things that we feel

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that it’s our job to make sure our kids aren’t bored, it’s our job to

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make sure that our kids have structured play. When you really look at that and

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say, that was really never God’s design for a parent, it is not our job

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to make sure our kids don’t get bored. You know, actually, boredom is the

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number one thing that breeds creativity. When you get rid of all that and you

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send them outside in the rain or the mud, and they have to find a

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stick or a log, and they end up coming together and working as a team.

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And the worlds that my children create when they’re outside

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is absolutely incredible to me. And the stories

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that they live out when they’re out there, because you’ve taken everything

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away, and they have to use their creativity. It’s so good for

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them. It’s so good for their minds and their

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bodies. And honestly, it really goes back. I mean, everything

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we do and everything we believe, we go back to the Bible and say, well,

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what does God say about this? And over and over and over in scripture,

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it talks about our relationship with God’s creation. And

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like, even in Psalm 23, when it talks about, I’ll lie down, you know, in

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green pastures, and we will, he leads me beside still

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waters. He uses the image of nature for peace.

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For peace, you know, and then so many places in scripture,

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and we can link to these. But job twelve and

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romans one and Genesis one, it just constantly talks about how we can

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see God’s character in nature, how it tells us that the

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birds rely on him and the animals need nothing

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because they’ve been provided with everything. And when you get your kids out

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there and really see God’s creation, it shows you the

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character of their creator, and it shows you so much about

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who God is. And so we have to shake what we’ve

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been trained and realize this is who they were designed to be. This is how

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they were created, to even relate to God through his creation.

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And that’s they were designed to relate to him through his creation. So

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we have to shake this new that, our cultural idea that we need to

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provide all these activities for our kids and provide all these things for our kids,

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and every moment of their day has to be filled because

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that’s really not what’s best for them. Yeah, I agree. Let’s

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being outside and our kids playing outdoors, and it’s such a good thing

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for them to be outside. And I think oftentimes, you

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know, when we think about homeschooling, we think about the academic part of

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homeschooling and them sitting, you know, like, I know, in my mind, I think, well,

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okay, when we do school, we’re gonna sit down and do a math lesson

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or read together or spelling or whatever.

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But being outdoors is such an important part of their academic

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being and development as well. And so we

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need to. Yeah, I mean, there’s a reason why schools have recess, because

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kids need to get out. They need to play. And so I think as

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homeschool moms giving ourselves permission, that that

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is just as important as them sitting down and reading or sitting down and doing

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math. They’ve got to be out moving and even the exercise that comes with it.

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I mean, you think about young kids, and they

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naturally run. Yep, they just do. Everywhere they go.

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I don’t know why, but they just run and they go outside, and the

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first thing they do is run. And Lacy will tell me all the time. She’s

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like, mom, I have to get outside. I’ve got to get my wiggles out. She’ll

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tell me that it’s so funny. And she just jumps, and they climb,

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and it’s all a part of. And we’re constantly saying, you know, don’t jump on

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the furniture, don’t climb on the table, don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t. And

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really, we have to stop and say, this is how you’re designed. Yes.

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And even, even developmentally, children,

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they need to be able to do that to develop their body and their

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muscles and their sense of equilibrium and their balance, all of

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that, even just walking. They’ve done studies on. Kids need to

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walk on uneven ground for their own mental

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equilibrium that helps their brains develop. And when they’re indoors

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all day, being told to, you know, be still, stop, jump, stop, don’t run, don’t

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climb. It’s mentally not good for children. It

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stunts their development, honestly. Right. Right. I recently

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started reading a book. We were in Franklin, Tennessee, back in

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March, staying with some sweet friends of ours, the white family, and they

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live on this farm, and this farm is amazing. They’ve got all kinds of animals,

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and they’ve got a fun playhouse or treehouse, and they kind

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of have this, a little bit of a wooded area. It’s so cute. The kids

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call it the deep, dark woods. And my kids have so much

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fun playing with their kids, and they, they’ll be out there for

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hours and hours and hours, building forts, climbing the trees,

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playing with the animals, gardening. I mean, they do so many things, and it’s so

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good for them. She recommended this book to me called, I think it’s called balanced

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and barefoot or barefoot and balanced. One or the other. I’ll link

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to it, actually, in the show notes because I started reading it and

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I haven’t finished it yet, but it’s such a good book, and it talks about

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exactly what you were talking about, how it’s just so very

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important for kids to be outside and to have that outdoor play

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and for their balance and for every. I mean, there are so

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many parts of a child’s development

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that plays

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into them being outdoors and just expressing themselves

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physically through

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active play and not sitting and

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being in front of a tablet or in front of a screen. So let me

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ask you this question then, because obviously, there are so many kids who, they sit

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in front of the screen all day. They sit, and even kids who sit in

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front of a book all day, because I know there are a lot of homeschool

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kids who do that. They love to read and praise God. That’s a great thing

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for them. There’s so much good literature out there that they can read, but

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they will literally just close themselves into this little bubble of

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their, their fantasyland book,

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and they won’t get out and exercise and play and

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experience the outdoors. So what do you do with that child who

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maybe mom says, and maybe it has not been a good practice for

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this family. But now mom’s listening to this, and she’s like, oh,

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okay, maybe my kids need to get outside more. But her kids are so

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used to being indoors or glued to a book or

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glued to their tablets or something. Talk

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to that mom who maybe is. Is gonna have that struggle in that

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battle with their kid. Who their kids gonna say, I don’t want to go outside.

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It’s hot or it’s humid or it’s cold or whatever.

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How can she fight that battle with them? Say to her,

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get rid of the mom guilt, you know? Do you.

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Most moms, most moms, their kids are indoors in front of a

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screen, in front of a. In front of something. So I would immediately say, it’s

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not too late. It’s not too late. It doesn’t mean, you know, it’s easier when

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you start kids little. I mean, to the new moms listening, it’s easier

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when you start them brand new outside, where that’s just their

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world. That will make your life easier. It’s

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not too late. Teenagers need to be outside as much

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as little kids. You know, since we have been a generation that have

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brought teens in and plugged them in, you know, our depression rates have gone higher,

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our bullying, violence, all these things. The rates of

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those things have gone up as our outdoor time has gone down. So teens

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need to be outside. Adults need to be outside just as much. I’d say to

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the mom whose kid is bucking it, it’s not really

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that different than when your kid bucks you to eat healthy or when your

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kid bucks you for anything. You have to remember that

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you know what’s best for your kid, and you want to do what’s best for

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your kid. But some practical things are, I think what you’ll

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notice first is when they go outside, they’re going to grumble and complain and grumble

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and complain, and this is boring, and this is hot and it’s too cold, and

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there’s nothing to do. And even my kids, who are they,

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they live, eat, and breathe outdoors. Sometimes they’re like, we’re bored.

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And I always realize that if I said, okay, then come in, let’s do something

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else, they have to work through the boredom, and then all of a sudden, the

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creativity breaks loose. So let them be bored.

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Don’t get sucked into their grumbling and complaining. Let them be

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bored out there, and you can give them things to do

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to. For example, if you have a very techie kid, a kid that

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has been in front of a screen their whole lives, and now all of a

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sudden you want them outside. That is going to be a shock to their system.

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So I would say, you know, for example, let’s take your phone outside,

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let’s make videos outside pictures, and then I want

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you to make a really cool slideshow or video or,

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you know, I don’t know if your kid is on social media, you know, do

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a whole Instagram story sequence of all the cool things that you found in

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nature and make it appealing to them

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with what they already love to do. So you can take technology

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in to the outdoors. I mean, we see it all the time now. Or if

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you have a child, like you said, that just don’t get me out of a

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book. I mean, I want to read all day. Don’t try to do this outdoors

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00:28:18,560 –> 00:28:20,976
thing with me now. I’m 15 and I just want to be lost in my

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books. Then that’s okay. So take your book and go sit

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by a creek. It is beneficial to put your feet in the creek, sit on

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00:28:28,588 –> 00:28:32,220
the dirt bank with the sun shining on you and reading your book

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so you can take who your kids already are and what they

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already have going on and take that into the outdoors. It doesn’t.

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We’re not trying to recreate people into being this outdoors family. We’re

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trying to make outdoors work for everybody. And it does well

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naturally. I think one way to spark interest in

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younger kids or even older kids is through books. There are so

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many really neat books about nature, even

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swiss family Robinson. When you read that to a kid and then you send them

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outside, it is unbelievable how they reenact books in the

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outdoors. So if you want to work more of the outdoors into your

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kids indoor life, read books about adventure and outdoor

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play. And there’s so many great picture books that get

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kids excited about being outside. And I have a list of ones that my kids

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00:29:20,698 –> 00:29:24,234
love that we could link to. Yes, but that sparks

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00:29:24,274 –> 00:29:27,694
kids interests in the outdoors. And then when they go outside,

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you’ll see them naturally reenact or explore what they’ve

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read about. So those are really great ways to introduce the

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outdoors to kids that have not previously been out there. Oh, that

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00:29:39,610 –> 00:29:43,174
is such great advice. And yes, we’ll link to

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the book list that you have. That would be great because, you know,

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it’s really hard to just go to the library and look for books on nature.

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00:29:52,404 –> 00:29:55,836
Here are your 5 million options. So we’ll definitely link to

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those. We are, unfortunately, we are out of time for the

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podcast, but I’m loving this conversation and so I want to keep going with

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it. Let’s continue on for backstage past

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members. For those of you who are familiar with backstage

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pass membership, it is a very inexpensive

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way to have access to a whole bunch of amazing

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stuff from Schoolhouse Rocked. We’ve got interviews for the movie on there. We’ve

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got extended interviews from the podcast. We

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have all kinds of fun behind the scenes things for the documentary

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and a whole lot more coming. I mean, we’re constantly putting new stuff out on

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the backstage pass membership site. And in the process of

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00:30:36,834 –> 00:30:40,480
that, you actually will be a great blessing to

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our family as we are working on production on the movie because every

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membership that we get helps to support the making of schoolhouse

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rocked. So, so just put that plug in there. If you’re not sure about it,

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go to SchoolhouseRocked.com and you’ll see the little button on the top that says

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backstage pass. And it, it will give you just a great

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array of all kinds of fun and exciting things. And Aby, you’re backstage pass member,

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right? Yes. And I love it. You have so much incredible content that’s not

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00:31:07,180 –> 00:31:10,692
only encouraging but educational on there for homeschool moms. Yes.

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00:31:10,748 –> 00:31:14,276
Yeah. We are in the process of putting more up, so, and we’re actually

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00:31:14,460 –> 00:31:17,504
getting ready to take a pretty big trip across the country.

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For those of you who have been following us, we have had

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some really exciting things happen. And I actually, I can

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announce this now. I think as of yesterday, officially we’re

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in Georgia right now. We’re getting ready to head west and we are going to

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00:31:33,278 –> 00:31:37,038
go from Georgia to Washington state to Vancouver, Washington.

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And we are going to get to finish filming the movie with Heidi St. John.

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And we are so excited about that. God has just miraculously opened

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00:31:44,670 –> 00:31:48,486
up that door for us. And so she’s going to be a big part of

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00:31:48,510 –> 00:31:52,326
the narrative part of the documentary. And things are going really well

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00:31:52,350 –> 00:31:56,190
with that. But we still need a lot of prayer and support in order

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00:31:56,222 –> 00:32:00,062
to get that done. So if you’re listening to this, keep up

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with us on Facebook. If you haven’t yet signed up for the Facebook schoolhouse rocked

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Facebook page, become part of that because that will kind of give you a good

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00:32:07,310 –> 00:32:10,350
idea of where we are and what we’re doing because we’re going to be traveling

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all across the country. We’re going to go to Mount Rushmore, which we’re really excited

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about. We’re going to get to go see Aby and her family, which will be

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00:32:16,990 –> 00:32:20,502
really fun and several people along the way. But we will end in

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Vancouver, Washington. We’ll be there for about two weeks, finishing filming for

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00:32:24,446 –> 00:32:27,696
the movie and then with Heidi. And then we’re going to get to head south

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and go into California to see our family that’s home for

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00:32:31,512 –> 00:32:35,344
us. So we are very, very excited about that. So

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thank you. For those of you who continue to just support

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us financially, who send us just letters of

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00:32:42,680 –> 00:32:46,464
encouragement, who rate the podcast, that’s a great way to encourage

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us. And just to get the word out about the podcast, who tell your friends

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00:32:49,864 –> 00:32:53,164
about the podcast. I mean, all of those things are really what keep us going.

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And in case you guys don’t know, we serve a really, really

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big God. He is so unbelievably faithful. People

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keep telling me we need to write a book. And so maybe one day after

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00:33:04,362 –> 00:33:07,810
this movie is done, we will write a book and we will recount all of

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God’s amazing miracles and just how we’ve seen his hand at

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work. But in the meantime, we will continue with

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production on the movie. It’s going great. So keep up with us on Facebook. Sign

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up for a backstage past membership if you feel led to support

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us financially. We would love that. We basically live as a missionary family

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right now, where we rely completely on support from

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those who are following us and from family and friends. And so God

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has been good to provide for us that way. But getting across the country

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and finishing this filming is quite a big

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pill to swallow. So we’re excited about it. But anyway, and let us know how

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we can encourage you. Feel free to send us an email

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podcast@schoolhouserocked.com and keep up with us

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that way. So anyway, Aby, thank you so much for your time today on the

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podcast. We’ll continue this for backstage pass members and those

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listening, have a great rest of your day.

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