SR 839: A Dad’s Homeschool Journey: Insights on Teaching, Fatherhood, and Faithfulness – Brandon Beckley, Part 1

“Life is choices. We are making some sacrifices right now to do the thing we think is best.” ~ Brandon Beckley

Watch this full interview on our YouTube Channel.

Yvette Hampton sits down with Brandon Beckley, co-founder of Made2Homeschool and a homeschool dad. Brandon shares his family’s unique journey into homeschooling, emphasizing the role of fatherhood and the unexpected challenges and blessings along the way. Tune in to discover how this dynamic dad balances homeschooling, running a business, and supporting his wife in her full-time medical career.

**Key Topics Covered:**

  1. The Beckley Family’s Homeschool Journey
  2. The Launch and Mission of Made2Homeschool
  3. Day-to-Day Homeschooling from a Dad’s Point of View
  4. The Importance of Fatherhood in Homeschooling

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Discussion Questions:

1. **Brandon mentions the unexpected journey into homeschooling. How do you think unplanned events can shape our long-term decisions and perspectives, and was homeschooling an unplanned adventure for your family?**

2. **Brandon speaks highly of seeing well-behaved homeschool teenagers which influenced his decision. What were some of the most impactful things or experiences in your decision to homeschool your own children?**

3. **Yvette and Brandon discuss the importance of doing what God calls each family to do, rather than just following trends. How can families discern what God is calling them to when it comes to education and other major decisions?**

4. **Brandon remarks on the empathy he will have for his wife once she begins homeschooling again. How can role reversals in parenting roles enhance mutual understanding and respect in a marriage?**

5. **The discussion touches on how homeschooling can strengthen sibling relationships. What are some practical ways homeschooling can be conducive to family bonding?**

6. **Yvette talks about the misconceptions and defensiveness some people have about homeschooling. What defenses or misconceptions do you feel need to be addressed in broader discussions about homeschooling?**

7. **What unique perspectives can fathers bring to the homeschooling journey that might differ from mothers?**

8. **Brandon speaks about the freedom and flexibility in homeschooling to find what best suits your family. What are some ways your family has benefitted from this freedom?**

9. **Brandon and Yvette discuss the importance of having milestones for children. What are some milestones you’ve used to motivate your children and make them feel accomplished in their educational journey?**

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These things that we go through that aren’t quite what we hoped for, I think

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are helping us to prepare for whatever the next season is. Yeah. And

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God’s using it. And I think if nothing else, when my wife is home with

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the kids, I will have far more empathy than I would have otherwise.

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Hey, everyone, this is Yvette Hampton. Welcome back to the Schoolhouse Rocked

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Podcast. I have a new guest with me this week, and you guys are going

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to be so encouraged. And some of you may know of some of the work

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that he’s doing, but you may not actually know his name yet because he’s kind

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of a behind the scenes guy, kind of like my husband Garritt is.

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He is the founder of Made2Homeschool, and we’re going to talk a little bit about

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that ministry this week, but we’re going to dig deep into

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fatherhood and his journey that he’s had with his wife and

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getting started with homeschooling and all kinds of other fun things. But before we

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get started, I want to say thank you to our sponsor, BJU Press Homeschool. If

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you’re looking for great homeschool curriculum, and I know many of you are, right now

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it’s summertime, and you’re like, what in the world are we going to do next

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year? And you might be starting to panic a little bit because the summer is

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moving along and you’re just wondering, what are we going to do? And

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maybe you need curriculum for every subject. Maybe you just need it for one subject.

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Maybe you need it for all your kids. Maybe you need it for just a

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couple of your kids. Whatever you need, BJU Press Homeschool is there

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to help you. They have something for every grade, every subject,

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and they do everything from a strong biblical worldview. So

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if you have not checked them out yet, check

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BJUPressHomeschool.com.

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Well, welcome to my new guest. I’m so excited, Brandon, to have you with me

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this week. Introduce yourself and your family to us because I know that you’re, you’re

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one of those sort of newbies to the homeschool world, but, man, you have come

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in full force. You and your wife Brigitte, and you’re doing amazing, amazing work

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to encourage and support the homeschool community. So tell our audience who you are and

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what it is that you’re doing. Thanks, Yvette. Well, and thank you so much for

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having me here. You know, we’ve been talking about doing this for a while and

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I’m glad that it just happened to work out today. Love that. And I

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love the opportunity to talk with you and your audience about, yeah,

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what we’re doing, but just what God’s doing, I think more

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importantly in our lives and in the homeschool

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community, I guess, for lack of a better word. Yep. My name is Brandon.

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My wife is Brigitte. We are the founders of Made2Homeschool.

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We are more or less a ministry couple. I was in full time ministry

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for about nine years down in South Florida. We’ve recently transplanted up

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to North Florida at the same time as we had a new baby and started

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homeschooling. And by the way, I’m the homeschooler right now for the most part. And

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I’m at home running a business and homeschooling my

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kids and trying to make that work. That’s a fun adventure.

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My wife is in full time medical work. She’s been in

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ultrasound for a little over 17 years now. I think it’s

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been a while. Yeah, that’s the big, big

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summary right there. Yeah. Yeah. You guys are doing great stuff. So you

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founded Made2Homeschool. And man, it’s

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so fun because we’ve gotten to connect with so many of the other

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homeschool leaders and speakers and writers and bloggers

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and podcasters who are part of that community. So we’ll talk about that in

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a couple of days. But you talked about how you’re the one kind

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of doing most of the homeschooling. I want you to tell your story because you

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have such an incredible story of how you got into

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homeschooling and you guys are still new to homeschooling.

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Your kids talk about that. Tell us your story.

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Yeah. And you know, Made2Homeschool is an integral part of that and I’ll share what

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pieces are relevant to the journey at least. But we can get to the whole

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what m two h is later leave you guys and some suspense.

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But it really was an

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unexpected journey and in the end the trigger was pulled

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kind of suddenly, like, I hate to be cheesy and say, well, God did it,

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but God did it. And I guess if you went

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back maybe a little over two years ago, there is no

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way I would tell you we’re going to be homeschooling. We had always thought about

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it, right? So we’ve been married for almost twelve years and we

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went into marriage knowing that I was going to be in full time pastoral ministry,

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which meant that I was never going to make as much money as my wife,

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who worked in the medical field. Right. She didn’t marry me for the money. That’s

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not what happened. And so she wanted to,

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she’s always wanted to just be home with the kids. And great, I wanted

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that for her. Maybe God will provide that one day, we thought.

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But we didn’t see it. We lived in South Florida, which cost 17 arms and

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twelve legs to live, and we needed both the

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incomes. And we didn’t feel like God had led us in that

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direction. It just wasn’t a strong consideration. Of course, we had all the questions that

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all the non homeschool families have. What about the socialization? What about

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this, that and the other? Of course, you’ve heard a million times. And

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then because of the crazy health journey, I have

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a whole bunch of autoimmune stuff that came up. And that’s what kicked me out

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of full time pastoral ministry in a church.

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Um, we ended up meeting a whole bunch of homeschool YouTube

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people. Yada, yada, yada, yadas will be explained later. And

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we launched Made2Homeschool. And that whole time we’re drinking the Kool aid.

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To the extent that by the time we had launched Made2Homeschool, we were

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like, we need to do this. This is a transition we need to make. This

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is the best thing for our kids 100%. So how do we do that? How

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do we get you home, Brigitte, so that you can homeschool the kids? Because I

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don’t want to do that, frankly, that’s just honestly the case.

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And then by this

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past fall, you know, we, once your eyes are

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open, they’re open. Yeah. You know, and we saw

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the families that we worked with and Made2Homeschool. We wanted it. We’re moving

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in that direction. But again, we can’t do it till Brigitte’s able to be home.

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Right. First it was some things

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with, we have an eight year old, Boyden, and a five year old girl.

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She was in a pre k four class. He was in third grade at a

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christian school. A good one, by the way. Like, it’s a good school. But the

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problem is, um, just like a good church

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or a good club of any type or a good school or a good, any

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place where people are, there’s gonna be evil. It’s in the world,

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right? Sin is here. And some things

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happened that were not the teacher’s

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fault because you know what? You cannot pay attention to every one of 15

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or 18 five year olds at every minute of the day.

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Yeah. And they kept happening. And so we decided

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we were pulling her out immediately, and all of a sudden I was homeschooling a

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pre k kid because we just couldn’t in good

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conscience leave our kid there. Yeah. Again,

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the school was great, but it can only be so good. It can. They

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can’t do what a parent can do. And we’re like, well, it

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doesn’t make sense to have her home and not her brother. And we want to

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bring him home anyway. And I got a kid here, so. Well, I guess we’re

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bringing him home, too. We let him finish out his school Christmas play through December,

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and then that was it. And so November 16, we had

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our third child, um, another

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son. And then November, like

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20th, our daughter came home. And then

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December 18 or whatever it was, our son was home, and that was it. Forever.

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Yeah. And then we moved within two months to a different part of the state.

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So lots of things all at once, and we’re learning as we go. Right? Like,

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like all of us do when we start out. And I’ve had the great benefit

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of these 20 something different moms on our team who teach me all the things.

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And so I have. I don’t know, this is a weird analogy, but if

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you remember the movie the Matrix, that scene where Neo was plugged in and he

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just downloads all the knowledge. That’s kind of how I feel sometimes because I’ve got

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the benefit of that. Yeah. But I’m definitely still learning and figuring out

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our methodology and our kids and their learning styles. And we

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finished out the year just finishing his curriculum. He had his

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workbooks because it was BJU. Good stuff is fine.

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Actually, it’s funny BJU for this episode, but, yeah, and we loved

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it. It’s good. We’re going to switch some of that next year because we’re learning

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our kids. Yeah, but the cool thing, there are so many cool things, and

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I’ll end this piece here, but one of the really cool things is

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that I get to learn what works best for them, and we get to

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try other things and see if our kids will thrive better

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with that. So that’s, that’s how we got here and where we are. Yeah,

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yeah. It’s so funny because you, and you don’t go deep into

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this, but you got into homeschooling and kind of introduced to

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it through a business endeavor. Like, you didn’t do that

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intentionally, but God did. God was like, I’m going to

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put all these homeschool mamas in your way, and you’re going to work with them.

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And as you’re working with them, you’re going to learn about home education and

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discipleship. And then it just kind of happened. And like, you. You

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said your eyes were opened and you can’t unsee now what

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you’ve seen. You can’t stick your head in the sand and pretend like you don’t

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already know what God is convicting you of.

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But you saw everything, and you were able to.

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You were, you thought you were coming alongside these moms to help them

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with their homeschooling blogs and podcasts and all the stuff that they have going

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on. And in reality, they were coming alongside you, and you were, you were

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teaming up together because you really have been a blessing to them, but they’ve been

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such a blessing to you and that they helped you open your eyes. Um, and

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so it’s. It’s so great. I love how the, the Lord works that way

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when we’re like, okay, we’ve got this endeavor that we’re going to go for, and

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we have no idea why we’re doing what we’re doing. But God’s like,

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I have a plan that you don’t even know about so. Much, and

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there’s so many pieces to it. But, you know, one of the things that, as

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you’re talking about that I’m reminded of is one of the things that convinced me

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the most early on is the kids. If you spend time

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or. And you’re not a homeschool and you spend time around teenagers

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especially, but all the kids of a parents who

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are intentional homeschoolers, I’m not saying there’s not some who, you

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know, should do whatever, but if parents are being intentional in homeschooling

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their kids, especially raising them in the fear and admonition of the Lord, those kids

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act differently. And when we’d go to hang out with these people, I would watch

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their kids. I talked to their teenagers, and they were amazing. Yeah. Like,

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I was stunned by these kids. I’m like, okay, yeah, I want my kid to

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be like that. And it’s like, anything you care about,

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anything you believe in, you evangelize about it. You can’t go to a restaurant you

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love and not tell a friend about it. Right? So if there’s something powerful in

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your life, something that you love, something of high quality, you’re going to shout it

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from the rooftops. And I think that that’s what people listen. The Bible

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says that. How can they believe if they have not

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heard, right? In the same way, I think we need to do a little homeschool.

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Evangelizing in a kind and loving way. But I was encouraged and evangelized

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about homeschool by all these moms who constantly were just walking

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the walk, and I was impressed by their families. Right, right.

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people often will apologize to me if they’re not homeschooling, it’s a crack up

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because they’ll say, I don’t homeschool my kids. I know that that offends you. And

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I’m like, you are not offending me. You are not

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accountable to me for the decisions that you make for your family. You’re accountable

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to God, and you have to pray and decide what God is calling you and

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your family to do. But, yeah, I mean, I love being able

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to, like you said, just shout it from the rooftops and just tell people, like,

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okay, here is. Here’s what homeschooling really is. Here are the blessings of

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home, education and family discipleship, and here are the reasons why.

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But without beating them over the head with it and shaming them for not making

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that decision, you know, that’s the last thing we ever want to do on on

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this podcast, is to shame people for not making the same decisions. We want to

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inform people so that they can make the best decision

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for their family according to what God has called them to do. That’s

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not my job. I’m not the Holy Spirit. I’m not bringing conviction to. Well, maybe

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I do sometimes. People actually do sometimes say that the podcast

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does bring conviction, but it’s not because I’m bringing that conviction. It’s because the Lord

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is using me and my guests and the

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movie and all the things that we have going on to just open their eyes

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to what homeschooling is. So I love that story. We have more to talk about,

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we

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are back with Brandon. Okay, so you talked in the first episode about

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you’re the one doing the homeschooling. We talked about how you got into

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homeschooling. Talk for a few minutes about what it’s like for you as dad, because

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typically we talk to moms. It’s typically the mom who’s doing the

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homeschooling and, and teaching of the kids. And you have those a

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little bit reversed from what is the typical family. And, you know, praise

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God that God has provided a great job for Brigitte.

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And I know that you guys are really working towards getting to that point where

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she can be home to do this, but you, you guys are a

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great team. We’ve enjoyed getting to know you and your wife. Talk about

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what it is like for you as a dad because dads are

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totally different. Like, news flash, boys and girls are different.

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Men and women are different, moms and dads. Is that

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okay? Exactly. Moms and dads are different. And we

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spot respond differently to our kids and to teaching. So talk about

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what it’s like for you as a dad to homeschool your kids. And

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maybe you’ve only been doing this for one semester. Really.

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What does a day look like for you guys and how are you working

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through all the aspects of that? You know, I think

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that one of the things that I’ve

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appreciated about most homeschoolers, most of the folks that I know in the

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homeschool world is that they believe

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in homeschooling not just as a correct choice or the best

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choice for their family, but as a, as freedom to do

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what’s going to work for your family. And we are taking full advantage of that,

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sister. That’s what’s going on right now because we don’t know what we’re going to

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look like in three years. Hopefully that looks like my wife’s home, you know,

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things are different for dads versus moms. That’s super true.

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rhythm, like we’re finding the things we want to do on a daily

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basis. We’re finding how the day can be

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blocked out well, for the kids to have a good, healthy experience

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and for me to get some work done. But

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that will look different when mom’s home. It’s just gonna, and I

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think probably, and I’m not saying this for all situations, I

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know a couple of homeschool dads who. That’s their plan. They plan to be homeschool

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dads. For me,

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I think probably it is better for mom to be home for our family. And

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I think that’s probably, probably the general rule. Brigitte and I

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have talked about this a lot because neither of us are where we want to

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be, but we believe we’re doing the thing God wants us to do right now.

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for, I think are helping us to prepare for whatever the next season

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is and God’s using it. And I think, if

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nothing else, when my wife is home with the kids, I will have far more

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empathy than I would have otherwise. Right. Like, I will be able to understand in

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a different way and vice versa. So what

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that looks like practically, though, we usually only have

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an hour and a half or 2 hours of actual work or instruction.

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mostly to just primary subjects. We did. My son

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had Benjamin, he had reading and math

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every day, and he had English

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and spelling two or three days

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a week. And I would do some science lessons

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with them, kind of a la carte. We do some science experiments,

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but it’s like things that are applicable to life. So, like, there are potatoes

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and strawberries growing in my backyard right now that my kids

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planted that they think are the coolest thing in the world.

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use a little more curriculum. We didn’t know what was going to feel like yet,

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but we basically finished the entirety of their workbooks. I know that’s like a

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scary thing. People don’t want to do that, but, like, we did it because we

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didn’t want to, like, stop schooling for the whole summer. And so we kind of

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wrapped this year. Now just actually the other day, we kind of

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like, you completed a grade, will we always do grades? I don’t know. I have

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no idea. This is what we’re doing right now. I feel like our kids like

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milestones. It makes them feel something good. They make them feel they’ve achieved

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something. So my son got a little certificate. He completed the third grade, and my

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daughter has completed pre k four. And they were happy about that. And they feel

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like they did it. And I want them to feel that. Yeah. Um, what it’ll

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look like next year, probably actually a little

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more. A little more structured than we did this year.

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because it helped us figure out what. What we needed to do. Does that answer

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the question of ed or. Yeah, it totally does. Because what you really did this

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past semester is got to know your kids. Yeah. And you have to kind of

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go through that unschooling de schooling

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process in order to figure out where you are as a family. And like you

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said, in three years, it might be completely different. Who knows? I

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mean, you can only take it one step at a time. But you talked about

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being, you know, empathetic towards moms and towards your wife.

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what their wives are up against. They go to work and they do their

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jobs. And I’m so grateful for these dads who work so hard to provide for

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their families so that mom can be home. But oftentimes

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moms are. They’re working all day with the kids. Sometimes they’ve got a side

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hustle because they have to help bring in some extra income because we live in

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this crazy economy, and, you know, who can afford eggs? And, I mean, all the

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things, like, it’s just kind of crazy. And so it is a hard

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job to educate your kids because here’s the thing. It’s not just

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educating, it’s parenting. And so you’re spending your

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day parenting. You’re throwing academics on top of it, and then

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you’re trying to work on the side, and that’s a lot to take

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in. And ops. You have to be a husband and

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all those things. And so, like, I mean, I just love that you’re on that

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side of it, and you really can

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empathize with. With what your wife will be up against and what

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these other moms are facing on a daily basis. Well,

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and she will know that I get it, and she will

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know that I would do it in her place. We’ve had a number of. When

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I went through all this health stuff, she had been on bed rest for many

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months during her pregnancy where she could literally do nothing. And I took care

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of everything in the house and our one child at the time for a few

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months. And so when I had my health issues,

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she didn’t think twice. She knew that if the shoes were the

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seats, whatever, the roles were reversed, I would be there for her and I would

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take care of it because I had. Right. And so I think this is another

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one of those, when the roles get reversed, she’ll know that I would take

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care of it as well in the same way. And, yeah, it’s hard. Like, it’s

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Yvette. It’s super hard. Right. And, like, it usually means

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that on Tuesday and Thursday night, right now, I am going out to a coffee

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shop at night so that I can work in the quiet and do any, like,

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focus work. I need to do emails and writing and all this kind of thing.

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And that she’ll be home with the kids. And that’s a sacrifice we’re making right

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now. But all of life is choices. Well, I couldn’t. I couldn’t. I

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can’t. Well, we make choices and we are making some sacrifices right

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now to make it possible to do the thing we think is best. And I

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don’t. I don’t want to go too long on this, but, like, already it’s just

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been, what, January, February, March, April, May, June.

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And I can see such a difference in my kids already. They’re already

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great kids, but, like, their relationship, like, on our

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podcast, I always ask, what’s the greatest, unexpected blessing you’ve had from

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homeschooling? And almost every person says, my relationship with my kids

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or my kids relationship with each other. Yeah. My kids still fight. Cause they’re

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kids, right. But they play together better than

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they ever have before and they amuse their imagination and they love one another.

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Yeah. I love what the Lord’s doing with your family. And I love that you

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and Brigitte can come together as a

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couple. And, you know, you think about the vows that we take when we get

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married, for better or for worse, in sickness and in health. And I don’t think

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a lot of people really think through those when we say those words

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to one another. But that’s really what you’ve done. I mean, in sickness and in

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health, you’ve cared for one another for better or for worse. You know, you guys

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are in a season that’s difficult right now where she’s having to work to support

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the family financially. As you’re building a business

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and at some point in God’s perfect time, that’s going to turn and she’s going

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to be able to come home, amen. And fulfill the role that God

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has given her as mom. But it’s not that either of you are doing the

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wrong thing. You’re just supporting one another and doing what God’s called you to do.

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And so I love that. I love that you guys are working together and that

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as a family, you’re building relationships with one another, you know, your kids with

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one another and you with your kids. I mean, man, there’s

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nothing better than being able to be home and be that

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influence in their lives. And, and kids need dads desperately. And

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we’re going to talk more about that when we come back on Wednesday. We’re going

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to talk about fatherhood and the importance of fatherhood and being

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fully present with your kids. And so we don’t get to talk to a whole

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lot of dads about these things. So I’m super excited about that. But we will

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be back to talk about that really quickly before we close

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out, and we’ll talk about this later in the week. But

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tell our audience very quickly about a conference that you have coming

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up in August. Yeah, August 1 through third, we’re going to be hosting the

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Brave conference, which I’m super excited about. The idea of the

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Brave conference being that no matter where you are in your homeschool journey, there is

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some season that’s next for you for which you need some courage. Yeah. And so

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brave 2024 courage for what’s next. Amazing speakers, awesome

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sponsors, practical tips, not fluff, and not a pre existing

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YouTube video. That’s my short piece. It’s going to be awesome. Yep. And

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it’s online, you guys. This is an online conference, so one that

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anybody can participate in wherever you live. It doesn’t matter. You can be part of

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this online conference. So if you want to hear more about it, you can go

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to schoolhouse rocked.com brave and we’ll put links to

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that in the show notes. Stay tuned to the very end to hear what’s coming

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up next on the podcast. And if you guys have not left a review for

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this podcast, we would greatly appreciate that helps so much for other

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This is hard, right? Because in the, let’s say, seventies, eighties, and nineties,

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especially, men were taught to become more

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sensitive, become and even told to be more feminine. That’s

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not the right approach. Right. It’s okay to be a

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man. Yeah. Right. Whatever. And to

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be emotionally available,

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it doesn’t mean you have to be soft. It means you have to learn to

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communicate, whether you’re a woman or a man, communicate about your emotions. These are

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important things to be able to do. Yeah. And what’s an appropriate way to deal

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with those emotions? What’s an inappropriate way to deal with those emotions? Because kids are

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watching us. The only way that I know how to be a father. I had

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a couple positive, real male male role models as I grew

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up, um, for short periods of time. But honestly, it was

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after I got saved in my early twenties that I was driving across the

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state one day in the middle of a rainstorm. And I have this

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epiphany that for the first time in my life, I had a relationship with someone

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who could be the perfect example for a father to me, and that was God.

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