SR 874: Teaching History: Why it Matters – Linda Lacour Hobar, Part 1 (Homeschooling Every Subject)

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Any one of the heroes that we want to put up in history, it’s not

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too hard to dig into their lives and find some flaws in them.

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The only person that ever lived a perfect life was

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Jesus Christ. All others fall short, and history

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will remind us of that. Hey, everyone, this is

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Yvette Hampton. Welcome back to the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast. I am so

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glad you are back with me this week. I am back with my very sweet,

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good friend, Linda Lacour Hobar and I, we are talking

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about History this week. This is part of our homeschooling every

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subject series, and I have come to really enjoy doing these

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series. It’s really fun because we can just kind of focus

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on a specific thing for a few weeks.

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And we’ve gotten a really good response from the series we’ve done in the past.

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And so this one, we’re going to be going for the next several

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weeks through all of the different subjects that we have. And so we’ll go through

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kind of like how to teach those subjects from kindergarten all the way through history

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and what that might look like in your family. And so I am excited to

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have Linda here. When I was thinking about history, I was like, well, there’s no

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question about it. She’s the best one to have for talking

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about the subject of history. She’s the author of The Mystery of

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History, which I know many, many of you use. We love the mystery of history

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in our home, and we are so grateful for her heart, for

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homeschool families and just for the word of God. And so I’m excited

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to have her back with us. But before we get into our conversation, I want

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Bjupresshomeschool.com. Well,

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Linda, welcome back to the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast. I am so glad to

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have you back with me today. It is always such a joy and a pleasure.

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I think this is your, I don’t know, third or fourth time high school talk

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podcast. At least I think so. But I’m so glad to be here. It’s good

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to see you, Yvette. Yeah, thank you. You too. We were just talking. We

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got together, you and your husband and Garrett and I and

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Lacy for dinner just last month. A month ago,

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I know we were in Memphis. You live in the Memphis area. And

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so it was really fun to get to just catch up with you guys and

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hear your heart and I know. I hope it’s okay to say this. I don’t

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know, maybe if not, you can tell me to edit it out. You are currently

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working on an american history series. I

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thought that might come out today and I’m ready to tell. Yes, I am

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writing american history. My only hesitation to share it is that it’s just going to

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take me several more years. So don’t get too excited.

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But we are working on it, so I look forward to the

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day. Yes, well, it’s exciting to know that it’s coming.

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And what’s cool is that people can be praying along side of you as

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you’re writing this. It’s an important topic to write on

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right now, looking at where our country is and, you know, just tackling

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this huge subject. So, you know, as we talk

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about history, I think it’s one of the most important subjects that

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we can study because I did not like history very

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much when I was in school. It was just a subject that didn’t interest me.

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I just was like, it’s so boring. Why do we need to know all this

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history? Why do we need to know these dates? You know, what’s the importance of

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history? And I never. I don’t know that I ever actually

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verbalized that question, but I don’t think I had

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anybody ever actually answered that question. For me, it was just,

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you go to school, you go to your history class, you memorize a

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few things for the test, and then you forget them shortly after the test is

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over, which is basically how I did school in every subject.

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And so I want to start off this conversation talking about

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just kind of the why of history. Like, why do we even need to know

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history? What is the importance of learning

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history? Why should we study it? I so love

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this question because, of course, there’s hundreds of answers.

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But as I thought through what I’d most like to share today, three things

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came to my mind. So let’s tackle them one at a time, and we’re going

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to start lofty and eventually work our way toward more practical things for all your

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listeners. But one of the very first things, Yvette, that comes to my

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mind about why we study history is because it helps

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reveal the fallen nature of mankind. As you know,

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the Bible teaches that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of

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God. That’s romans 323. But

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it may or may not surprise you to know how very

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unpopular that biblical truth is today.

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So biblical, you

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know, it just seems to be not in vogue biblical teaching. So we

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have secularists and humanists actually telling us the

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very opposite. They would love to state

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and carry on that, oh, man’s really good. And in fact,

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we can get better. We just have to tweak it here and there.

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They literally, the progressives would take the word

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progress and say, oh, if we could just progress. Like, if we could just keep

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moving in this direction or that direction and get a few things out

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of the way, then we’ll be better. Because

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today’s, in today’s world, we’re so

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uncomfortable calling sin sin because that requires

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then that we’re accountable to God. And people don’t like that. So

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it’s interesting that we have seen, and it’s not new today, to

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want to not call sin sin. This has been going on since the beginning of

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time. So even think of like the enlightenment or period of

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transcendentalism or even the woke movement today. See, none of those

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really want to get to the heart of what’s wrong with Mandev is our

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nature, our very sinful nature that we inherit from Adam. That’s a

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biblical truth. And those that aren’t holding to the Bible

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don’t want to go there. But if we can just look at

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world history as one, you know, giant volume

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of evidence, well, what do we see there? I think we

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see the sinfulness of man. I think we see his

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depravity. It’s on full display in all those gnarly stories in

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history because, you know, history is kind of funny. Not funny in that

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maybe in our morbid fascination, it’s like we do go to the dark stuff. You

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know, the things that make the history books are usually the conflicts, the

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dictators, you know, it’s the big bad stuff. Right, right.

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So it’s not hard to find the evil nature, mankind,

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I think, lurking in the pages of history. Certainly

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George Hegel thought that he was one of many evil influences on Karl

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Marx. And if we could just chat

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Marxism for a minute. All right. Truly one of the tenets of

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Marxism. Karl Marx not being one to

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follow the Bible at all, he really did think man could save

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himself. Like, let’s strip man of

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ownership, let’s force him to redistribute

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wealth, and voila. Then we’ll have some type of utopia right here

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on earth. I mean, he truly believed that that is not

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a biblical premise, because the Bible teaches, yes, that we absolutely ought

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to share. Jesus would remind us that the poor are always among us and

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we’re instructed to care for them. But he didn’t suggest that the government needed

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to force that. So if nothing else, why study history?

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Well, story after story will show man’s

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propensity towards an unselfishness,

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but, and, you know, of course, I just mentioned some bad guys right there. Sure,

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sure, we could say it’s easy to see the bad guys, but, you know, we

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see it in, quote, the good guys, too. Any one of the heroes that we

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want to put up in history, it’s not too hard to dig into

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their lives and find some flaws in them, too, because

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they’re part of this fallen mankind. I mean, George

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Washington and Thomas Jefferson, they’re a couple of my heroes, but they have

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some dark spots in their lives due to the issue of slavery that they turned

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a blind eye to. And they’re our founding fathers. So

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all to say the only person that

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ever lived a perfect life was Jesus Christ. All

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others fall short, and history will remind us of

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that. So, anyway, that’s just one

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thing to point out, one reason history supports a

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biblical worldview and gives us evidence

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of its truth. Yeah. Amen. It’s. It’s so

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disheartening when I hear about kids. And even for myself, you know, I

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went to public school only one year, but you, you put your kids in public

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school, some private schools, too, unfortunately, and they go into

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history class and they don’t start teaching history in Genesis. And

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that’s the beginning of history. In the beginning, God created the heavens and

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the earth. Like, that’s where it all started. And so if you’re not teaching it

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from that perspective, from a biblical worldview, then you’re really not

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teaching history as a whole. Oh, and as a matter of fact, if we’re

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not going to identify the problem, which is that main is sinful, then we’re not

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going to see what the solution is, which is redemption in Christ. So

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the gospel, the good news isn’t good news if you don’t think you have a

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problem.

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We are back with Linda. So one reason you talked about at the beginning

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of the episode that we study history is because it really does reveal our fallen

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nature. We see the sinfulness of man and we see what that

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has caused. What have the results been? What are some other reasons to

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study history? Well, another, more practical reason to study

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history is that it truly will help us know how to

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vote or how not to vote. Now, since I brought up

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Marxism just a little bit ago. Well, let’s hone in on that a bit more

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because it’s a great reason to study history and

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it should inspire the next generation about how to vote and

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not vote if they want to uphold liberty. Now, even

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as I say that not all of your listeners even know liberty,

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maybe they are in oppressed situations, but for those of us that do and

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who want to retain it, we absolutely need to be

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studying history for the contrast to see what it is that we’re fighting

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for. I did see a meme the other day, Yvette, that said, let me think

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if I can just say it right. It said, if you

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hold on a second. Oh, it says, if you’re not scared of communism, then

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you don’t know what it is, or something along those lines. And I thought, oh,

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that is so true. If you

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really know what it is, if you’ll trace the stories through

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time of what that really looked like, you’re probably not going to fall for

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it and vote for it in a quick

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recap. So communism makes false promises.

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It makes it sound like, oh, we can level the playing field for everyone

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and somehow have a fair, free society. But that’s not

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how it fleshes out. It winds up putting power in the hands of a few,

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aka the state, and it strips everybody else of

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freedom’s galore. It oppresses faith

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because faith doesn’t go along with that very well. And it interferes with family

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because it literally wants to put the state in charge of family rather

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than families which are designed by God. So if

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our students could learn the truth,

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let’s run through some quick examples. Like they need to know that Vladimir Lenin was

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the first to try to implement Marxism, right? He started that in the

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USSR. However, I don’t know how many people know that

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the Russians went through a four year civil war for them to

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institute this path of communism they were on. And that four year civil

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war was like, oh, so many more died than like in our four

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year civil war. So they had to fight for

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that to even happen. Killed thousands. Then Joseph Stalin

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steps in, wants to take it farther. He would collectivize

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their agriculture and instead 6

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million starved from famine. It’s like, wait,

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what? So those communist policies didn’t work. That’s the same number

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of people, by the way, that died in the Holocaust. We don’t always compare Hitler

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and Stalin, but the numbers are outrageous. Then if that’s not enough,

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Mao Zedong will try the same in China. He’ll communize

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China and he decides, too, to take control of agriculture. And instead of

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them growing crops, he set up steel furnaces in the

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backyards of the population trying to be an

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industrial steel giant. Because, see, communism

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dictates the production of everything. And

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in doing so, China would suffer like a famine

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of, I think, the greatest magnitude ever recorded in history. I want to say

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maybe 30 million would die from that.

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But, like, I’m not done. Okay? Fidel Castro comes along and

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then he communizes Cuba, which many know, since they’re our closest communist

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neighbor. Yeah, he would single handedly make it one of

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the poorest nations on the world, not to mention the

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oppression. And I think we know that North,

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North Korea would do the same. We know North Vietnam would eventually

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take all of South Vietnam. We know that because of the cost of american lives,

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who went to try to not let that happen. But anyway, Yvette,

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let me just point out, because I know still some feel like, oh, that’s a

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little removed. Like, that’s old communism. That was early communism.

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a fellow that tried. His name was Hugo Chavez. So in

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Venezuela, just a decade or so ago, he would

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try what he called bolivarian socialism, named after

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Bolivar, this, you know, Simon Bolivar, the George

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Washington of South America, because he freed him from Spain. Anyway, he tried it

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and he would take their gold, their oil and their

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agriculture and just

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arrange it communistically. I mean, as in the

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government took control of all of it and their shelves are bare.

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escape because they can’t even eat. They’re eating, like, food out of dumpsters.

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barbaric and medieval, but we’re talking about not that long

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ago, because they tried it. Once again, it has

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never fleshed out to create what Karl Marx

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promised, which was he promised that, oh, if we can just

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get everybody on this in the same class and we’ll

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be stateless and we’ll be in some utopia, well, that

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completely disregards the heart of man and it just

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doesn’t work. So why study history? Number two?

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To avoid falling for socialist

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communist propaganda that offers free

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stuff. Yeah. By the way, it was Karl Marx who said

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that socialism was only a step toward communism. Just in case our

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readers, can our listeners confuse the two? Socialism isn’t

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some separate other thing, right? It was meant to be a bridge to

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take a multi class society to a single class

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society. But for a time being, the government would have to rule

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everything, all means of production. That’s what socialism is. Karl Marx meant for it to

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be a step. As a matter of fact, we say that there’s five communist nations

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today, but in reality there’s five stuck in

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socialism where the government controls everything. So we don’t need to

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fall for price controls, though it’s being talked about in the media as we speak.

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We don’t need to fall for free college, free health care, and on and on

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it goes. Because that’s really pure socialism and it’s

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designed to lead to communism. Yeah, and none of it’s free anyway.

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There’s no such thing. There’s. Well, there’s no free shipping either, but that’s another story.

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I’m just trying to lighten it here. I know I sell books

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and people ask all the time, somebody pays for

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it. Oh, my goodness. Okay, what else

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do you. I know you’ve got lots of whys. I mean, I feel like there

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are a million different whys that we can talk about for

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studying history. Give us maybe one last one. We have a few minutes left,

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and then tomorrow I want to talk about the what. Good. That will be fun.

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Okay, last one. And this is not near so lofty, but let’s just be real.

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It’s required in high school. So

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honestly, the scope and sequence for state,

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american or world history, it’s going to vary.

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For anyone younger than high school, you can teach any of

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it in any order that you really desire. But I will say most high schools,

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at least in the United States, are going to require certain

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credits. So in quick summary, most high school transcripts

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are looking for one credit of world history, one credit of american

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history, and then half a credit of economics and half a credit of government.

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That would give you three years. Now, personally, I

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prefer, since you have four years in high school, I prefer to see students

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fill two credits with world history. Of course I would. I’m the

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history lady. But think about it, there’s. Why not

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add that credit? And so my favorite scope and

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sequence, if you can pull this off, would be the following.

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Sure. So my, my favorite lineup would be if you can teach the

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Renaissance reformation in 9th grade, counted as a world history credit,

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then follow that with american history. Because the

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religious wars of the reformation really helped students actually

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appreciate why we fought for independence and wanted a

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separation of church and state, then follow that with

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modern history. So there’s your second world history credit. And then save government

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and economics for the senior year, because, for one, they’re a little bit hard.

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Yeah. I do, again, really like to see the Renaissance

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reformation before american history. Now, there’s not a perfect way to

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do it, and you don’t have to do it that way. But that’s a. That’s

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one of my favorite synopsis, and I think part of

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it even goes back to once upon a time when I was writing about

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the Renaissance and Reformation. I went to visit the

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Liberty Bell for the first time in Philadelphia. And while me and

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all the other tourists are gathered around and we’re in line. I don’t know if

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you’ve been there, Yvette, but it’s very moving. I’m there, and I just am

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weeping, looking at the Liberty Bell, because I had just

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been studying the reformation, where we’re talking about the separatists and

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the Anglicans fighting and the Protestants and the Catholics, and it’s like

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it was off with your head, any king or queen could say,

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because they wanted their entire nation to be of the same fate. There was no

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freedom for that. And I just wept at the Liberty Bell. And it’s

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always made me think ever since, I don’t know if we can grasp, as

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Americans, exactly what Europe had been through. Yeah. Unless you

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study the bloodbath of the Reformation, and we tend to

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gloss over the reformation here. We don’t want to remember that

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Christendom was so divided, but it was, and it was brutal. So,

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anyway, yes, there’s probably hundreds of reasons to study world

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history, but if I could recap the three that come to my mind,

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it does reveal man’s need for salvation,

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and that’s good news. There’s a gospel. Like, the gospel literally means a

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happy ending. Yes, there is a happy ending. And then, number two,

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to vote properly. To know how to vote and what not to vote for. And

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then third, it is required. So we do need to be getting that one taken

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care of. Yeah. Yeah. Those are all great reasons to study

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history. And we’re going to talk, like I said, we’re going to come back tomorrow

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because we’re out of time right now, but we’re going to talk more about what

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to study, and then we’re going to talk about how to study history, because those

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are the important things that we all need to know as homeschool moms. The why,

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what, how, when, where, all the things we need to answer those questions when

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it comes to studying every different subject. So, Linda, thank you so much for being

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with us today. We will be back on Wednesday to talk more about

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this. Where can people find out more about you and the mystery of

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history? Sure. My website is loaded with information. Go

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to themysteryofhistory.com. Don’t forget to put in the

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the that’ll get you to the right place. Yep, we’ll put a link to that

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in the show notes. And also sign up for Linda’s newsletter because I love your

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newsletters and you’re really good, especially when different holidays come up of

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just shooting out newsletters that say, hey, you know, here’s some history on this particular

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holiday, and those are fun to be able to share with our kids and just,

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they’ve been informative. For myself, I’m like, oh, I did not know that

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about this particular holiday. So those are really fun. So we’ll put

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a link to that in the show notes as well. Linda, thank you so much

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for being with us today. Thank you guys for being with us. We will be

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back on Wednesday. Stay tuned to the very end to hear a clip of what’s

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