SR 875: Teaching History: People, Periods, and Events – Linda Lacour Hobar, Part 2 (Homeschooling Every Subject)

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People make history so much more interesting. I

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agree. Oh, goodness. I hated history growing up. I’ve probably told you that

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before because like most others, I was suffering under,

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oh, books stuffed with facts, treaties, things to

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memorize that didn’t hold meaning to me. Hey, everyone,

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this is Yvette Hampton. Welcome back to the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast. I am

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back with Linda, and we are talking about History, and this is

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fun. This is part of our Homeschooling Every Subject series,

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and we’re talking about history this week because, you know,

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that’s an important topic. It’s an important subject that all of us teach

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at some point in our homeschool journey. And so, you know, it’s funny,

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Linda, you were talking about how history is required in high school,

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but it’s one of those subjects that all those first time

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homeschool moms in kindergarten are like, what do I do? How

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do I teach my kid History? And I’m like, they’re five. It’s okay. They don’t

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need to know all the history facts at the age of five. Just teach them

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how to read and write and, you know, let them play. And

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so I like that you just kind of gave us that permission to, like, you

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don’t really, actually really need to worry about it until

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the high school years. But I know that in those middle school years

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and elementary years, we can start dabbing, you know, just

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dabble a little bit into history. And that’s really fun as well. So especially

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for those kids who really. Like history or the ones that don’t.

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Right. Or the ones that don’t exactly give. It to them in nice bite

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size pieces that they might enjoy, it better lay a foundation.

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That’s right. So today we’re going to talk about the what. Like,

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what is it that we need to know about history? We talked on Monday about

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the why of history. Why it’s important to know history. So today we’ll talk about

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the what. Then tomorrow we’ll talk about the how. And we’re just going to pull

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it all together. So I know it’s going to continue to be an encouraging conversation.

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Bjupresshomeschool.com. Well, Linda,

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welcome back to the podcast, and let’s talk about the what.

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Let’s talk about what is it that we need to teach. And you talk touched

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a little bit on this on Monday, but I want to go a little bit

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deeper into the what is it actually that we need to

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be teaching our kids? Like, can you maybe give us an order

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of what to teach when. Sure,

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sure. I think what really helps is a visual of a funnel.

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So picture, you know, broad first and narrowing it down. Now, I might

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surprise you by the order I’m going to put the funnel in, but I would

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say top of the funnel is time period, because

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to make history a bit more manageable, we really need to divide it by

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time period. I’ll name them in just a few minutes, the common ones. So think

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time period first and then the next part of the funnel. I’m picturing the

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people that lived of that era, and then last, I’m going to put

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the events now. Unfortunately, I think you and I grew up on the type of

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history where events went ahead of people, and that’s why we

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hated history. We didn’t hate history, we hated the way it was

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taught because it was so event driven, you know, dates and treaties

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and such. And we didn’t have time to get to the stories of the people.

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Right. I would go time period first, people second, and then

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I’m gonna sprinkle in the events, because obviously we need both people and events

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really working together, but with a stronger emphasis on people.

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Lots of things happen. Now, before I get into all that, let me go back

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to the time periods, though, just in case. Some of your listeners are sort of

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new to what’s even out there on the market. So there are

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commonly four eras that tend to get marketed out there.

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It is ancient first of all, then it is

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medieval, then the Renaissance and reformation usually go together,

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and last modern. And then of course, american history is its own

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standalone that can go in any order broken in through

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there. Now, I just wanted to say that as a

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Christian, I’m going to add a layer to each one of those time periods.

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For example, ancient for me, is not only going to be

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the secular, but the sacred. So I’m going to weave Bible history and world

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history together in ancient times for the medieval time

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period. Oh, I’d like to hone in on the history of the church,

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what was going on after Christ, and then third

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with the Renaissance, it really is looking at the reformation because it really

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shows God’s hand as man thinks. He’s just all that during the Renaissance,

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God’s, like, bringing him down and going, hmm. And then with

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modern history, I think it’s just important to continue to see God’s

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hand perhaps in american history or wherever the student

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lives, anywhere in the world. So it’s finding yourself in. In modern

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time. So that’s just a quick thing on the four

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time periods. Can we go back to people now? Yeah.

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Yeah. That’s so much more fun to talk about. So, again, I

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ranked the study of the people higher, for one, because of

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what we stated the other day, is that looking at the people for one,

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it reveals the nature of mankind, which is that we are

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all depraved, sinful, and in need of

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salvation. That’s why there is a gospel. So, first and

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foremost, the study of people shows us the flaws of, quote, the good

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guys and the bad guys, because even the good guys had their flaws. But

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of even greater importance, people make history so much

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more interesting. I agree. Oh, goodness. I hated history

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growing up. I’ve probably told you that before because, like most others, I was

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suffering under, oh, books stuffed with facts,

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treaties, things to memorize that didn’t hold meaning to me. But I

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will never forget. Yvette. I was a freshman in college. I was in my first

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western civ class, and I sat on the front row, and the professor began

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to tell stories. I’m pretty sure he started off with the Tudor

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family, like Henry VIII and all his wives. And I was like, wait

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a minute. I didn’t know that was in history. I mean, it’s quite a

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soap opera, the Tudor family, but it drew me in because it

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was stories about people. I don’t think the man even used notes,

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and that just lit me up. So people are more interesting.

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But I have another favorite example I have to give you. So, once

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in a while, it’s not uncommon for me to be at a flea market or

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a garage sale or a thrift store, and I find a history book.

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And what I’ll do, just for fun, is I’ll flip the history book to the

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back to the index, and I look up Cleopatra. And in

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most history books, you turn to the page with Cleopatra,

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and it’s going to give you three or five sentences about her. I,

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because they put all the history in one book, which is a mistake. But anyway,

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those three or five sentences are only going to reveal something along the

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lines of, she was an egyptian queen, the last of the

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ptolemies. Well, first of all, you can’t even pronounce ptolemies. It starts with the

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letter p. So, you know, it’s like, so what? That doesn’t mean anything.

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But if you want to tell me the way she first met Julius Caesar, which

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is that she had herself wrapped up in a carpet and dropped into his office,

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well, that’s going to get my attention. Then he’s assassinated on the windy ides

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of march. So she attaches herself to Mark Antony, who dresses like an

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Egyptian after, when he marries her, so the Romans hate him, she winds

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up in a civil war with Romans. And to make long story

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short, as a result of her death and mark Antony’s

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Octavian takes the throne of Rome, who would name

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himself Caesar Augustus and run a census

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about 20 years into his reign that all would be taxed and

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needed to go to their homeland, which is why Mary and

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Joseph saddled up, she’s with child, and go to

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Bethlehem. So all to say that is a story of a

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person that had a tremendous influence indirectly over

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even fulfilling scripture. It was

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prophecy that Christ would be born in Bethlehem. That requires a

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story of Cleopatra if you really want to pull it all together.

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So anyway, now, that was long ago. I do have one a little bit

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more recent. May I? Since you revealed in our last episode that I’m writing

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american history, so I do have to add this one.

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I have not terribly long ago become enthralled

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with John and Abigail Adams because I

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started reading all of their letters. Now, a lot of people already know them through

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their love letters, those that don’t. They were separated for years during the American

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Revolution, and therefore they wrote letters back in the day with no phones

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and no text. So we have letters. We have captured their romance and love

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for each other. But I liked learning who they

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were first as people, so that then when I dropped them into

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the events of the American Revolution, and I’m like, oh, that’s what

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Abigail had to say when she stood on the hill and saw, you know, the

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battle of Bunker Hill. Or like, oh, that’s what he said to

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her, you know, after he had this horrible

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experience in England. It’s like their letters or the

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events of the American Revolution meant more after I

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knew them. That makes sense. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, you’ve just

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got to prioritize people. Yeah, I’m with you. I love reading

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stories of people. It captures me so much more than, you know,

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reading about any war or anything, you know, any dates that I need to

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memorize. You throw people in there and read about their lives,

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and it just makes it come alive. I mean, that’s what’s exciting about in

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history. Reading books, you know, just good literature.

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Sometimes it’s fictional and sometimes it’s not. But things that just make

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those stories come alive. And I think that makes history so much more

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fun. So we’ve got more to talk about, but we got to take a quick

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break. We’ll be right back.

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We are back with Linda. I love talking about people. Like I said,

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I’m a people person, and so I love stories of

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people. They inspire me. They convict me. My

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favorite person in history, my listeners already

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probably know if they’ve listened to this podcast for any length of time, is Corey

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ten boom. I love her. I cannot wait to meet her in heaven.

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She is my hero. And as you’ve mentioned before,

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she wasn’t perfect. And, you know, I love that she’s so

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transparent about her life and about her sin and about, you know, who

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she really was as a person, her struggles and how she would contend with the

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Lord sometimes. But, man, she lived her life for the glory of God.

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And I want to be like Corey ten boom. If I

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had another daughter, I would probably name her

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Cornelia. So anyway, but continue on because I. I love talking

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about this subject of people and history and how it ties together.

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Well, a byproduct of studying people is that it may

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inspire your students in some future calling or in a conviction

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or in a career one day. And I say that because I literally

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felt called to study world history. I believe, well,

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there were many inspirations, but one of them had to do with

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staying up at night and reading about the trail of tears. Such a

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moving story and a tragic story in american history, the relocation of

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the Native Americans to Oklahoma, and which, of course, you’re in

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Oklahoma, so you probably feel and experience a little bit more of that. But all

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to say, it moved my heart so much because I can’t really

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explain it. But as a people person, I do feel like I have a way

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to put myself in other people’s shoes, no matter the time period.

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And when you do that, when you personalize it, when you imagine walking

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down a trail with your own son or daughter and, you know, your husband

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got left behind, or, you know, when you can personalize it, it’s

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moving. And so I became a historian from being moved by

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stories. So imagine for our children, if nothing else, this

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history and looking at people, we’re exposing them to

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different people’s callings and convictions, like all the

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missionaries who would feel called Hudson Taylor, he had

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just been saved when he felt that he heard the lord calling him to China,

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which was so far away. Back in those days, you didn’t just jump to

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China very easily to hear the prayer life of George

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Mueller, who just had compassion for orphans that he saw

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on the streets. He thought he would be a foreign missionary until he just saw

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the kids on the street and said, I think I’ll just stay right here. And

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he just prayed and prayed for their provision. Or stories of

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abolitionists like sojourner truth, we.

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Oh. To see history through their eyes. So I think that the

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stories of people can literally change our

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lives because we just. It’s not hard to look around and say, okay,

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well, what injustices are being done today that I could have such an

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impact as a sojourner truth? Which, by the way, I just want to say I

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think today’s great plight, similar to that, was probably

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abortion. Today, when we look at the numbers and it’s like, well, what can

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we do for this cause? And we hope one day future generations will look

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back and say there were leaders and people who, you know, stood for life.

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Yeah, that’s right. That’s right. Yep. It’s. And it’s hard to stand

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for truth sometimes. Um, especially when the whole world is against

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you. You know, it seems like the world is. Is going one direction and

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we’re going a different direction, but we have to go the direction that God calls

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us to go, even when it’s going against the grain. Um, and that’s. That’s tough.

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And that’s what so many of these people did. Right? I mean, they were willing

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to stand firm and strong on their convictions. And it seems like

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very few people, and I won’t say few people today. I think few people through

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all of history were willing to do that. But part

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of it, too, is that they know their history.

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Yeah. Right. They’re able to look back and say, because of the sin of

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men, this is what this is going to lead to. And so I

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don’t want this to happen on my watch. Yeah. It’s a good way to put

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it. They want to impact the world. They want to leave a different kind of

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legacy for their families and for their children and their grandchildren.

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And that’s. And the lord told us to care for the oppressed.

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Yeah, yeah, that’s absolutely right. So give us one last

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advantage of looking closely at the people in

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history. Sure. Well, dare I say, it could be a little bit

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fun. Fun in that when you start to connect

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people, you’re kind of like ah. Oh, I see. Because

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so often the study of people leads to the study of other people, and then

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you realize, oh, these were contemporaries. And,

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for example, I think it’s hard to understand or maybe

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appreciate Raphael, unless you’ve studied Michelangelo and

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Leonardo da Vinci, because the three lived right at the same time period. And they

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would say Raphael totally stole all

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the great ideas that Michelangelo had on anatomy because he really mastered

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the human body. So Raphael got that from Michelangelo, but he got

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all that tenderness and the pretty stuff from Leonardo da Vinci.

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So it’s a whole lot more fun if you studied the first two masters to

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appreciate the third. That’s just one example. Yeah. Then let’s go

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back to american history. I think that to really

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appreciate Alexander Hamilton at all, you have to know the backstory of

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his feud with Thomas Jefferson, because those two

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were absolute bitter rivals, one wanting big

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government, one wanting small government. So you can hardly appreciate

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one without the other, which, by the way, that’s still relevant today, because

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ultimately they started what we would describe as two different political parties

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today. And then another. This is just recent. I’ve been

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studying the story of Dorothea Dix. Not everybody knows

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who she is, so I’ll throw it out there real quick. But she had a

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real heart for the mentally

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insane. I mean, she lived her entire life just dedicated to

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really improving asylums and institutions and just trying

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to humanize the people who had just previously been locked

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up. She had a heart for that. Well, in studying her story, I

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realized, or came to learn, that she would

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liken herself to Florence Nightingale. They never met,

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but she saw and knew what Florence Nightingale was doing in Europe when it

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came to helping in hospitals. So when the civil war broke out

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here, she wanted to be like Florence Nightingale, so she had someone

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to admire. She literally had black dresses made so that she

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could look more like Florence Nightingale. Oh, wow. I just think that’s really cool. And

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of course, you can’t appreciate that about Dorothea Dix if you don’t know the

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story of Florence Nightingale, which comes from a whole other time period. But anyway,

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so, yeah, just interesting parallels, I guess, is another way

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to put it. Yeah. Yep, yep. It all relates somehow.

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It really does. And listen, just before we leave, because I talked

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about a funnel, so I said, time period, people, but I don’t want to leave

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out events. Leave out events. Let me just quickly say,

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obviously, we don’t neglect the events. I just like to see them

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last sprinkled in there from everything that I said. But the other thing about

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events is that they really do give us. Cause and effect.

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So, a few favorites. You can’t really understand the dark ages unless you’ve

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looked at the fall of Rome, because it’s really because Rome

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fell. That meant all the roman soldiers went away. So there’s no one.

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So feudalism starts up in Europe in the dark ages. So that’s a

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cause and effect. Then another one. There would never have been an

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anglican church had Henry VIII just gotten the divorce

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he wanted from his wife. He couldn’t. The pope wouldn’t let him

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divorce his wife. And so he starts a whole church, and then the Anglicans are

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the ones that persecute the pilgrims. They come here. I mean, it just goes on

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and on. So, yes, cause and effect. And one more. Even when we look

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at Adolf Hitler, I don’t think he would have been able to

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pull off duping the german people quite to the

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extent that he did, except that they had suffered in the Great

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Depression. So there was so much economic need that when he

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would tout that he had a plan that would improve their way of life, they

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fell for it. Right? Yeah. So, yeah. So those events

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absolutely matter. Yeah. Yeah. They really do.

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Okay, more to talk about. This has been so good and so much fun.

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I want to come back tomorrow and talk about the. How. How do we teach

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history to our kids? Because there’s. There’s. There

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are different ways that we can teach history, and some are not as fun as

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others. And so we’re. We’re going to help you make it more fun for your

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homeschool moms. Thank you, Linda, for being with us again. Tell our listeners one

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more time where they can find out more about you and The Mystery of

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History. Yes, themysteryofhistory.com. I have a

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newsletter, all sorts of things to connect to. We will put

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that link in the show notes. It’s super easy to find. Thank you so much

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for being with us, Linda. And we will be back tomorrow with her. Stay tuned

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to the very end to hear what’s coming up next on the podcast. And if

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you guys have missed my husband Garritt’s podcast, the Thinking

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Dad, check it out. It’s so much fun. We continue to hear from so

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many moms who are listening, and oftentimes it’s moms listening with their

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husbands, and there’s tons of husbands listening as well. And so I

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love that the Lord is using that podcast as well. It’s called the Thinking Dad.

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We’ll put a link to that in the show notes, but you can find that

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on any podcast app wherever you’re listening to this podcast as well.

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So have a great rest of your day. We will see you guys back here

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tomorrow. Bye.