SR 877: Teaching Science from a Biblical Worldview – David Rives, Part 1 (Homeschooling Every Subject)

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While science is trying to better understand creation, the world around

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us, religion is trying to better understand the Creator.

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So you can’t have design the world around us without a

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designer. And if we’re being intellectually honest,

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we can admit that. And we can say, I’m not ashamed

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to invoke the power of God within

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creation. Hey, everyone, this is Yvette Hampton.

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Welcome back to the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast. I have a new guest with me

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this week, and you guys are going to be so encouraged and excited to listen

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to him. This is a new series that we’re doing, and this is, we’re

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homeschooling through the subject. So we did one a few months ago called homeschooling

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through the years. And we talked about preschool and elementary school and middle school

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and high school and the after years and all those things. And this time I

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thought, you know what? We need to talk about all the like, kind of course

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subjects that we go through with our kids, because so many people have questions

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about how do I teach these things to my kids? How do we teach them

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science in math and history and language arts? And so I

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thought, well, you know what? Let’s do another series and let’s walk through

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how to teach science, how to teach history, how to teach

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language arts, and all of those things from a biblical perspective. And so,

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you know, we are here to help you. We’re here to help you. The homeschool

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mama and homeschool dad who is working to do this because,

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well, it’s what God has assigned us to, right? He has assigned us to

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raise up our kids, to know him and to love him. And I think science

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is one of the greatest ways to do that is to teach our

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kids science from a biblical worldview. And so I have a new guest with me

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this week. His name is David Rives, and he is the founder and CEO

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of the Wonders Center and Science Museum in Tennessee. It’s in Dixon,

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Tennessee, right outside of Nashville. And I didn’t even know this place

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existed until recently. And so I’m really excited to talk with

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him and it’s going to be a great conversation. But before we do, I want

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Bjupresshomeschool.com well, David,

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welcome to the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast. It is so exciting to have you

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with me today. For those who are not familiar with you and the wonder center,

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introduce yourself to us, and then let’s get into this conversation about

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science. Absolutely. Thank you, Yvette. I

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was pretty much raised in the middle Tennessee area, always

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interested in history. But when I was about eight or

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nine years old, started to collect fossils. Those

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fossils sort of led me on a journey of discovery where I got a

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little bit more into a science. And then when I was 16 years

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old, as a passion, just as a hobby, I began to take

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photos of space astrophotography. Those photos

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blew me away because they pointed back to the idea that the heavens declare the

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glory of God, just like psalm 19 says.

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And at that point, at 16, I was sort of faced with this conundrum

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because, I mean, those photos, they turned out pretty well.

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And all of a sudden, researchers started to use them, and

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books started to use those. And I said, well, wait, why is this a

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hobby? Why couldn’t I actually use

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astrophotography? Pictures of nebulae and

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galaxies so far away that they’re hard to even describe,

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to point back to biblical accuracy, and ultimately

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to bring in a gospel presentation as a result of

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that. And that led to a lot of opportunities to share all

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over the country initially and then all over the world. So I

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lead dinosaur digs to teach children

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how to dig up dinosaurs in Kansas and places like that. I

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lead african photo safaris. I’m actually leaving here in a couple of

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weeks to take 40 people into the heart of the African

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Bushveld and show them how animal biology points back to a

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creator. And then I host a couple of different tv shows. I’ve written a

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few books, and we just opened the Wonders center and Science museum just

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outside of Nashville, which, believe it or not, is the largest science

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museum in Tennessee, but it’s definitely the largest science museum in the

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world from a biblical perspective. We leave

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out the atheistic point of view that is often

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pushed almost agenda like in many museums

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around the world. Yeah, you and I were talking about that before we hit record

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and that, you know, for my girls whole childhood, we

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love going to museums. Well, I love going to museums. They don’t always love them.

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They do love science museums, I should say. They don’t enjoy art

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museums. They’re like, why are we looking at this painting? But they love

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science museums. And so when we’ve gone to museums, you know, oftentimes there’s the video

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that’ll pop up or the plaques that you read, and it’ll say billions of years

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ago. And I’m like, ah, I have to undo it all. You know, we get

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in the car, okay, remember that video we watched? Or, you know, when we’re right

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after we’re done watching the video, you know, the bible says,

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and which is good. It’s a good learning experience for them. But it’s

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so cool to have a museum that really does teach

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from a biblical perspective. And I love that you brought

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in psalm 19 one. Actually, that was the verse that I had in my notes.

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You know, the heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his

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handy work. We look at the just

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awesomeness of God’s creation, and how anybody can look at

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that and not believe that there’s a creator just baffles

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me. I don’t understand. Well, yvette, that’s that. The

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very next verse in there says that day after day utters speech.

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Night unto night shows knowledge, but there’s no speech nor language

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where their voice is not heard. So it’s almost like the heavens are

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shouting at anybody willing to listen. Right. You are

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designed to. You are not an accident. You’re not star stuff.

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The result of 14 billion years of random chance

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processes. But so oftentimes we’re not willing to listen.

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We want to attribute everything to nature, to time, to chance.

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And it’s such a shame. Yeah, it really is a shame. One of the things

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I think is so cool about you is that you were homeschooled all the way

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through your childhood really quickly, because I definitely want to get into

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science. But talk really quickly about your life as

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a. As a homeschooled graduate, because so

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many moms today are like, I don’t know if my kids going to make it

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through. Are they going to be successful as adults if I homeschool them? Are they

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going to graduate high school? How am I going to do the sciences through high

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school? And we’re going to talk about those things this week, too. But what was

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your experience like being homeschooled, especially getting into the

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world of science? And you talked a little bit about your childhood and, you know,

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how you got into it, but. But talk about your

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experience of being homeschooled and how much that provided you the opportunity to do

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what you do today. Yeah, well, I would encourage them. Don’t worry about it too

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much. I wasn’t typically your brightest student. I

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wasn’t your most dedicated student.

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You know, I wanted to know about the things that I wanted to know

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about that I was passionate about. But thankfully, my parents let me

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pursue those things, and they were like, well, maybe this is not his strong point

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over here. Right? And I think as a result of that, it

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opened up this freedom to think outside the box, to

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really explore. And

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so I know it’s a daunting task to say, how

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can we possibly train someone without the

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proper knowledge, being a professor in this field or that,

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how can we possibly train our child up all the way through the

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grades? And, again, I would let them

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follow their passions. And it’s led me

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to lead one of the largest creation ministries in the world at this

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point, just by having the freedom to

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explore and living on this path, that allowed me also to

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travel. Some see things that most students only read about in

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books. It’s quite an opportunity.

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Yeah. Oh, that’s one of the greatest things about homeschooling, is the opportunity to

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travel, and especially travel when other people are in school.

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Cause you have so much more freedom to do that when it’s not

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crowded during the summer months and 100 degrees outside, you know, trying to go to

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the Grand Canyon. Um, but it’s amazing. So, um,

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let’s talk about science. And. And I want to start out talking

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about it from a biblical perspective and just talk through how

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the bible nurtures scientific thought as we’re reading

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and studying God’s word. Okay? So science comes from

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sciencia, which means to have knowledge, all right?

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So, a lot of people say science is so complicated. There’s

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no. No way I could possibly grasp this as a parent, right?

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I mean, I was with Bob Jones, one of the physics professionals, professors, a

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few days ago. And, yes, we were talking about black holes. Yes, we were

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talking about stellar formation and this and that and the other. But really,

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science, it comes from the word knowledge. It means to

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have knowledge of the natural world. So all we’re doing

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is we’re studying the things we see around us. A blade of

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grass, a star, a tree, you know, a

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zebra, whatever it might be. And then we’re breaking that down,

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saying, what can we learn from it? Well, the Bible is

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full of scientific knowledge, knowledge of the natural

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world, because the Bible gives us the keys as to understanding

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how the universe was formed. It gives us the keys to

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understanding animal kinds. It tells us that

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all animals should be in one family or the other, which is

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exactly what we’ve observed in science. It tells us that humans are

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set apart from the animal kingdom, which is not something typically

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taught in biology textbooks from

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a secular perspective. But we are set apart.

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No ape sits around philosophizing about his existence.

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Right? Yes, there is an intelligence to animals,

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but we have the spirit, the Nefesh, the actual

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ability to process some of those things and

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really study them using scientific principles.

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If we believe the Bible is true, then it says that we’re created

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in God’s own image. And that means that we have this

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tiniest fraction of the mind that he has,

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meaning that we can understand some of the

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ways in which he created this universe. And that includes physics. It

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includes science. It includes the earth sciences.

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It includes pretty much all of these natural fields, whether it’s

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astronomy or archaeology or biology or paleontology,

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genetics, chemistry, the whole

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gamut. We have the mind of our creator, a tiny

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portion of it, which means that we can figure this out. We

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shouldn’t be afraid of it. Yeah. You know, it’s interesting, as

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you’re talking about that, to think about how today,

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in today’s world, so many people are so confused about their own identity,

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right? And you think about what they’re being taught in public schools or

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from public secular curriculum, and it’s because they are

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not being taught that they are made in the image of a holy and loving

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and wonderful God, and that God made them on purpose, with a purpose, and that

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he created them. You know, like, I mean, psalm

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131. You know, God created them. He knew them from the very beginning.

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But kids aren’t being taught that today. No. And so they’re so confused

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about who they are, what they’re supposed to be doing, what their purpose is in

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this world. And we wondered why our society is

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crumbling all around us. And so even that issue of

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identity goes all the way back to science. Right? And

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it does, Yvette. And it’s easy to get

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confused. And it’s easy to get confused about identity,

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because here’s the deal. We all want to be

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unique, and we want to be unique in our own special way.

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And for a lot of people on the secular side,

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uniqueness means doing something way out of the ordinary, trying

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to set yourself apart in some way. And that’s where this identity

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crisis comes in. That’s where this gender theory comes in. That’s where a lot of

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this comes in, is people want to be their

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own person. But we already

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know, if we start from a christian perspective, that we are fearfully and

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wonderfully made. Marvelous are thy works, and that my soul

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knows. Right. Well, right. You formed me in the womb you wrote

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the book that made me. That book is our

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genetic code. The DNA, the deoxyribonucleic

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acid, is like a double helix ladder full of

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words and letters. Each letter spells out

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these sentences, these paragraphs and these chapters. That

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makes you a 100% unique human being.

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Not just from the time of birth, I might add, but from the time of

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conception, the exact moment of conception. You are

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100% unique. You need no further identity because there’s not

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another person on planet Earth like you. Each and every one

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of you. Yeah. Yep. I love how you just threw out that DNA.

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I’ll never understand that. I’ll never get it. It’s always just going to be DNA

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to me. Let’s take a break. We’ll be right back.

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We are back with David. I love

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talking about God’s word and our identity and how God

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created each one of us so uniquely, and it’s so

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true. Let’s talk about the importance of teaching kids as they’re

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learning science and learning about their identity, learning about how they are made

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and how the animals are made and how the earth is made, and how everything

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that science points to. How can we teach our

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kids science from a biblical perspective,

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that points them to a divine creator? That

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was actually the purpose of my second book, which has been

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distributed many tens of thousands of copies, is I wrote

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a book called 21 verses backed by science.

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Because a lot of times we think of science

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as standing alone. But if you look at the greatest

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scientists of all time, I’m talking about Doctor Wernher von Braun,

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I’m talking about Kepler, Galileo, Newton,

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Maxwell. We could go on and on and on. The ones who

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really made scientific progress, for instance,

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we could just go to Doctor Werner von Braun. He sent men to the moon.

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He was a brilliant rocket scientist. And yet

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he realized that he couldn’t figure everything out on his own.

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He said a lot of people look at science and religion as

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antagonists. He said, they’re not, they’re sisters. While

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science is trying to better understand creation, the world around

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us, religion is trying to better understand the creator.

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So you can’t have design the world around us without a

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designer. And if we’re being intellectually honest,

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we can admit that. And we can say, I’m not ashamed

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to invoke the power of God within creation,

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but that doesn’t mean that we attribute everything to supernatural principles,

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right? Because science, the natural world, is how

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we study these things. So, for instance, you

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can actually correlate the two in so many different ways. I’ll give you one

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example from animal biology.

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There’s a passage in the Bible that says that

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the swallow, the

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turtledove and the stork knows

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where to go and what to do. Okay? And that’s a

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paraphrase, but if we look at, let’s just say the

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swallow. Let’s take a look at a sea swallow. There’s a sea

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swallow called an arctic tern, alright? The Bible says that

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it knows where to go, what to do, everything that God’s programmed

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that inside of this arctic tern, the arctic tern, there’s about a

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million of those arctic terns around the world.

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They live about 20 to 30 years. They mate for life. They’re

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incredible birds. But if you look at their

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migration path, they’re pretty extraordinary because these types of

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turns will start in Greenland or the Netherlands. They’ll pick a

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path southward along the african coast,

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traveling along the west african coast until they get to South Africa.

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They turn eastward and travel as far as Australia

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or New Zealand. Then they turn south again. They

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spend their summers, which would be our winters, because in the

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northern hemisphere it’s swapped from the southern hemisphere. So when it’s

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our winters up here down in Antarctica, it’s

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summertime. So they spend their summers down in

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Antarctica. And as soon as Antarctica begins to get cold again,

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they migrate again and they take a path along an s shaped curve along

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the coast of the Americas to find their way right back to where

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they started in Greenland or the Netherlands. Now, this happens year

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after year, and if you calculate it, it’s about 56,000

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miles annually. Oh, my word. Meaning that

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these creatures, these little terns, these little sea

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swallows, are traveling about a million and a half miles

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in their lifetime. They know exactly where to go, what to

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do, how to find their way back. It’s

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programmed inside of them. So here we just took

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a scripture that stated a scientific fact. And

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then we went out in science and we discovered that it is

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absolutely accurate when it talks about the

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swallows knowing what to do. But

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you could relate that when it comes to astronomy, you could relate it. When it

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comes to geology, you could relate it when it comes to human anatomy.

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We could look at scriptures all over and then take those as

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our basis and then say, let’s study the human body,

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let’s study earth sciences and see if it matches up with

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this. Every time we’ve tried, it does

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100%. That’s incredible. And, you know, thinking

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about having, you said, you know, you can’t have a design without a designer.

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And again, it just baffles me that people will, they can look at

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a building and say, well, of course, there was a designer of that

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building. You know, you’re looking at, I mean, if you guys are watching the video

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of David, you see the Nashville cityscape behind

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him, and you look at that, you look at all the buildings behind

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you, the bridge behind you. Well, somebody had to build that.

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It didn’t just happen spontaneously. Yet we think

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that creation happened that way because we’ve been told that creation

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happened that way. And so I want to talk a little bit about that. We’re

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out of time right now, but I want to come back and talk about evolution.

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Like, how do we debunk evolution with our kids? Because even if we’re teaching

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them at homeschool, they may be hearing other things, you know, maybe in their youth

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group or maybe from the neighbor kids or maybe they’ve been in public

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school or even a private school. And they’re like, I’m not

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exactly sure how to debunk this. I’m not sure how to show my kids what

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truth really is. And so we’ll talk about that. David, tell us one more

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time where people can find out more about you and your ministry, and we’ll

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put links to all those things in the show notes. Absolutely. Thank you,

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Yvette. DavidRives.com is probably the

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easiest. DavidRves.com.

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and then you can sign up for our free email updates, our free bi-monthly

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magazines. You can get all of our resources.

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You can watch us on Genesis Science Network, twenty four

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seven, and then you can come visit the Wonders center just outside of

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nashville WondersCenter.org. Okay, we’ll put those links in

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the show notes, and we’ll put links to David’s books in the show notes as

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well. Thank you so much for being with us. You guys stay till, stay tuned

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to the very end to hear what’s coming up next on the podcast. And if

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you’ve not yet watched the movie schoolhouse rocked the homeschool revolution,

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watch it, you guys. It’s free. SchoolhouseRocked.com. we’ll see you

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back here on Wednesday. Bye.