SR 879: Teaching Science: Exploring Creation Through Every Grade – David Rives, Part 3 (Homeschooling Every Subject)

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These are really complicated procedures, but if you break them down

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into race cars and gears and ping pong

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balls with columns of air, all of a sudden children

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are like, “oh, I see this.” And adults

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are also like, “oh, I see this. I see this.” Hey,

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everyone, this is Yvette Hampton. Welcome back

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to the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast. I am back with my new friend, David Rives, and

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we are having a great time talking about science. He

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is the founder and CEO at the new Wonders Center

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and Science Museum in Tennessee. They’re right outside of Nashville.

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You said about 30 minutes or so. Right outside of Nashville.

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About 35 minutes due west of Nashville, right off of I 40 there.

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I love that. That’s so cool. You’re in a great area of the country. You’re

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kind of just smack in the middle so people can come from all over

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the place to see. We should do a Schoolhouse Rocked.

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That would be fun. We should do a schoolhouse rocked and wonders center, like

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field trip, and we can all meet up there. That would be super fun. I’m

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gonna talk about that. I think you should do a live, a live on location

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filming there. Yeah. Oh, that would be so much fun. That would be awesome.

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Well, we’ll talk more about that, but before we get back into our

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conversation, I want to say thank you to our sponsor, BJU Press Homeschool. You guys

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hear me talk about them all the time. And if you’ve not yet checked them

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out, check them out. Bjupresshomeschool.com. I know David is familiar

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with their curriculum. They’ve got great, great resources that are taught

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from a strong biblical worldview. And so that, that’s the kind of

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stuff we’re talking about, you guys. If you want science that’s taught from a christian

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perspective and a strong biblical worldview, BJU Press has it. Um, so

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check them out. Bjupresshomeschool.com. Well,

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David, welcome back to the podcast. I want to talk a little

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bit about sciences in throughout the

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grades because especially for new homeschool moms, when they’re just getting into it or even

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just thinking about homeschooling, they’re like, I don’t know what to do with science. What

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am I even supposed to teach? I know for myself that was, you know, you

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go to school and you have your teacher who has their plan

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all laid out for the year, and you’ve got your teachers for every year, and

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they teach the science that the school tells them to teach, but it’s not something

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that many moms think through, like, oh, okay, my kid is now in third

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grade, what am I supposed to teach them? They’re now in 8th grade. What am

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I supposed to teach them? And so I want to talk very quickly

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through what sciences are taught in the different grade levels.

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And so let’s kind of start with elementary and middle school.

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And so I know elementary, middle school, we’re talking about life sciences, earth

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science, physical science. Can we kind of break those up just

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briefly? We don’t need to get into a big, deep discussion about those

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things. But as we’re talking about, let’s just start with life

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science. Like, if we’re going to teach life science to our elementary and

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middle school kids, what would that include and

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involve? Well, you know, we actually, we did start a

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website to try to help with this, and it is called the

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creationsuperstore.com. Oh, wow. And it has

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over 2000, I think it’s 2200 different books,

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homeschool resources, and all of that laid out

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categorically. Right, okay. To try to make it easier,

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but when you think about, okay, so you said Earth sciences, we’re talking about

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things like, things like the weather,

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things like our magnetic field that protects

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the earth. We’re talking about things like the universe

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in general. But you don’t have to get really broad, because as you

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get into older grades, then all of a sudden

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we delve into more of it. So it’s like, hey, we live on a

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very special planet. Our planet is specially

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designed for life. It has a breathable atmosphere.

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It has moderated gravity. We have a stable sun that

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allows us to exist where the sun doesn’t

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have any chances of going supernova

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anytime soon. When we look at the broader sense of

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things, we have our solar system, which is finely

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tuned, and it’s very organized. And then we have our

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galaxy, the Milky Way. Even our position in the

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galaxy helps support the life here on

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earth because we’re not close to the center, where we might be sucked into

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a black hole. We’re not on the outer edges of the

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galaxy, where we might not have the heavy elements that are in this

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studio. Enough heavy elements to make the microphones that we’re

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speaking on. No. Instead, we’re nestled between

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two arms of the Milky Way, in the perfect spot for life.

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So when you talk about these earth sciences, you might talk about

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how they all are carefully crafted, and there are

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now so many resources that even a few years ago,

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we didn’t have those things, that it makes it easy

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for you to pick up a few resources, teach your

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children confidently through those things, and. And

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you don’t have to be a science professor to do it. That’s the

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exciting thing. Oh, that’s such a good reminder because we so, so often

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feel like, ah, I don’t know all the things. None of us can know

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all the things. You guys, come on, that’s ridiculous. I mean, we can’t know

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all the things, but that’s why there are resources for us to

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help teach these things to our kids. So what? Tell me what that

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website is again. It’s called

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creationsuperstore.com.

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creationsuperstore.com. And you can. Oh, that’s so good. It’s categorized

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on the side. Like I said, I think we’re over 2200

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different resources. Okay. Most of them are broken down a little

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bit more towards a junior high and high school level.

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So astronomy, chemistry, human anatomy, that

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sort of thing. But it’s easy to get around

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there. We even have what we implemented as the Rives rating. And so

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I rate some of the top

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supplemental resources, right. Not necessarily the home school

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curriculum themselves. So you’ve read all 2000 plus

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resources. Wow,

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you must be a very fast reader. That’s so cool, though. We’ll put that

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link in the show notes, of course. So, yeah, so elementary, middle school, we’re

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talking life science. And I actually was looking up like, okay, what

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exactly does life science involve? So we’re talking about vertebrates,

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invertebrates, plant life, the human body, life cycles,

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habitats, environment, things like that. Earth science.

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We’re talking about astronomy, geology, meteorology,

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oceanography, things like that that involve the earth, of

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course. And then physical science, which I think is

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fascinating. And I have the hardest time understanding physical science, but that’s the

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study of how things move and the structure and properties of matter

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and how nonliving things change forms and all the things that make

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up physical science. So I have a hard time with physical science for

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some reason. My husband, he is brilliant. He’s so crazy

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smart and he’ll. I forget what it was the other day. We were talking about

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something, but it was something physical science. And he was explaining to my daughter and

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I. I wish I could remember. See, it’s because I don’t fully understand

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it. He was explaining something, how something worked. And Lacy and I were just looking

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at each other like, what is he talking about?

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And he knows exactly. You know, it’s fascinating,

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but what you’re. Referring to now can actually be

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a part of steam, right? Cause you’ve got science,

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technology, engineering, arts and mathematics. Well,

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so what you’re referring to would fall more in the engineering

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and mathematics side because it’s trying to understand all of that.

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At the Wonders center and science Museum, we’ve got tons of kids hands on activities

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to spark that curiosity, even though it seems intimidating.

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So we’ve got gears that you can put. Children can put in any

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configuration on a magnetic board and a massive wall full

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of gears. And you can figure out gear ratios. Why do larger

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gears make this turn slower and smaller gears make it

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turn faster? Right. We teach you about the Bernoulli principle by

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using ping pongs and air. And you can see how a

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column of air will contain the ping pong ball, just

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like the wing of an airplane provides lift for that

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airplane. We teach you things like the

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brachistochrone curve. Right? Oh, wow. So we take these

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incredibly complex procedures, but then we put them down

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into something so simple as having two race tracks, two

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big, long race tracks on the wall, side by side. One

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looks like a drag strip, perfectly straight all the way down. And the other

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one has the brachistochrone curve. It has this. It has this

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drop off at the first, and then it goes through a series of hoops.

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Right? So, in physics and engineering, we

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would normally think immediately, well, the shortest

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distance between two lines is a. Two points is a straight line. So

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the straight track must be the fastest track. No,

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we teach you that if you have this exact curve, then

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the velocity of the car that you push down that track

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will start. And even though it goes up and down multiple hills,

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it’ll still get to the bottom of the track faster. These are the

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really complicated procedures. But if you break them down into race

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cars and gears and ping pong balls with

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columns of air, all of a sudden, children are like,

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oh, I see this. And adults are

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also like, oh, I see this. I see this. Yeah,

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science centers are so much fun. I love it when they have hands on things

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like that, where you can actually see, because it’s so different than just reading about

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it in a textbook. You know, you just. And I’m a very visual person,

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so I have to actually see things to really understand them. So that’s

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so very cool. All right, high school.

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So, as I was looking through high school, like, okay, what things are taught in

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high school? Here are the high school courses that you would look to

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teach your kids, and here’s the beauty of homeschooling. You guys

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teach what your kids love, teach what is going to get them excited

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to learn about God and his creation. So, obviously, biology and

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chemistry, you know, those are, I think, the ones that people always just come to

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the front of your mind, you know, biology and chemistry, physics.

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Again, the one that I’m like, ah, it just makes my head spin.

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Environmental science, forensic science. This is so interesting. This is

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one I feel like when I was in school, I don’t know

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about you, David, but when I was in school, no one ever talked about forensic

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science. Like, it just. I mean, obviously it existed,

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but it wasn’t a thing. It certainly wasn’t taught in school.

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Right. But forensic science is one that now, even in our homeschool

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co ops, several of them in the Tulsa area where I

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live, have they offer forensic science curriculum. As a matter of

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fact, master books. If anyone’s looking for forensic science,

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master books has a fantastic new forensic

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science curriculum. It’s for, I think, 11th and 12th grade is what

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they recommend it for because it’s a heavy topic, some of the

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things that they talk about. But it is, as far as I know,

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the first and only forensic science curriculum taught from a biblical

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worldview, which I think is just fascinating. So

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we just actually picked that up in the. Oh, did you superstore website. Yeah, I

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think it’s the only thing out there right now. It is, yeah. There are a

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couple of other that I’m aware of. There are a couple of other forensic

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science curriculum, but none of them taught from a biblical

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worldview. Right. That’s the only one. I actually have a

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friend. I’ll be with him in,

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well, in about three weeks. I lead a photo safari

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to South Africa every year and take families,

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kids and adults, as close to the animals as we can safely

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get. We go hot air ballooning over Africa.

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I take them to the cradle of humankind, which is where supposed, all of the

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supposed ape like ancestors have been found and debunk all

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of those myths of ape human

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ancestors. But his

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daughter, I think, is just going into university for forensic

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science. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. So we’re seeing a lot more of that

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type of thing in the very recent past. Yeah, I

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think it’s really neat. It’s a

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topic that can be really hard to study just

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because forensics. But I think it’s cool that we can

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now teach that from a biblical worldview. And then astronomy,

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zoology, oceanography, all those things, those are all encompassed in high

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school science. And so see what your kids like. How can

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you teach them these things again through the lens of

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scripture so that they can better understand

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God as creator? Because there’s no sense in teaching science if you’re

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not going to teach it from the perspective of God. Right. As creator.

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I mean, then it’s just a waste of your time. You’re actually pointing them away

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from Christ instead of to him if you’re teaching secular science in your

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homeschool. And so there are lots of resources. We have two

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options, only two options that we

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can choose when we teach science to the next

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generation and the next generation and the next generation. We can teach it from the

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perspective of, look at all of these incredibly designed,

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complex things. Look at what time and chance

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has accomplished. Or we can say, look at all of these

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incredibly designed, incredibly complex things.

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Look at how big our creator is. Let’s give him

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glory for it. And that’s the only correct

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response, right? Absolutely. So good. Let’s take a

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break. We’ll be right back.

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We are back with David. Man, this has been such a fun

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conversation. And I really, really, really very much would like to go to

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the wonder center now because it sounds amazing. And one of the things that you

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said you have there is that you have divided part of the

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museum into the different sciences. Talk about that for

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just a minute. You know? So when I

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got the spark to try to create this

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museum, I wanted it to be all christian principles,

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but I wanted it to be something that would also attract

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families who knew nothing about that. So

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I call it the wonders center and Science museum. It

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doesn’t have a religious connotation to it, except it does.

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Right? In the book of Job, we read a passage that says

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that God does great things past finding out and

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wonders without number. So I’ll admit I’m

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chewing that over in my head. It became the title of my first book. Doctor

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Danny Faulkner, PhD in astronomy, wrote the forward to that book. But

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I’m chewing that verse over and I’m like, yeah, God has done great things

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past finding out. There are some things in this life we will never know. But

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the second part of the verse says, but he’s also done wonders

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without number. There are an innumerable number of wonders

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that we can explore, that we can discover, that we can use

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scientific concepts to, to research,

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and then we can give him the glory for it. So it’s called the

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wonders center because it’s looking at God’s

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wonders. And as you walk through, I wanted each exhibit

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hall to basically cover a category of science.

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So we’ve got wonders of paleontology, rocks and

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fossils. We have wonders of biology, living

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things. We have wonders of zoology. So you will go in there

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and you’re going to see insects, and you will see live geckos, and you’ll get

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to handle a bearded dragon and then, then you’ll see exotic sea life.

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We’ve got wonders of geology rocks,

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right? Rocks are not boring at all. We have a

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fluorescent rock display where you go into a room and you

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see the most dull rocks that you’ve ever seen in your

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life. But then you see this huge green button on the side of the wall

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and you press that green button and all of a sudden all the lights in

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the room go off and boom. You see all of these

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dull, boring rocks turn blues and pinks and

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greens and vibrant oranges because all we did was we

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turned on a few uv lights underneath those rocks, right? So rocks are

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not boring. Actually, geology is fun. We’ve got wonders of

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literature, which is basically the history and accuracy of

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the Bible, with a lot of manuscripts, biblical manuscripts

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and historical manuscripts. We’ve got wonders of astronomy,

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which takes you deep into space, lets kids touch hands

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on massive meteorites that fell from space. You

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can try to escape from a black hole using these mazes

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and things and you can learn about telescopes and what we can discover.

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We’ve got wonders of history and archaeology. Yes,

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archaeology is a scientific study which helps

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support history, because without this scientific field of

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archeology, we would not be able to adequately

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describe or explain historical references. But

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because we do have archeology, now all of a sudden

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we’re learning that the history in the Bible has been

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correct all along. I could have predicted I did

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that. But all throughout the museum,

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it’s over 100,000 sqft. You’re going to encounter all of these

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exhibit halls dedicated to different fields of science. And then we

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break those scientific principles down, not just

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simply so an adult can understand them, but then simply so a

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child can understand them. And then couple it all with hands on activities

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so that, that everybody can grasp it in an

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easy way and it makes all the difference in the world. You know, I’ve

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never been the brightest student. I’ve never been the most

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astute. And yet I love

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hands on, I love to have my hands on something and experience

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history. Experience science. Well, that’s what we do at

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the Wonder center and science museum. That is incredible. And I think it’s so

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cool to study creation. And one of the things I think is so

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amazing is looking at the ocean. And

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I think it’s only been in the last maybe 15 to 20 years that we’ve

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been able to go as deep as we can go, you know, deeper than we’ve

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ever been able to go in 6000 years of creation. That’s right.

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And we’re seeing ocean life and sea life that

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no one ever even knew existed. And you think about that and you think,

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what a crazy, amazing God we have. And

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he’s been enjoying it all this time, right, for thousands and thousands of years, since

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the beginning of creation. He knew all that stuff was there. But that

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man is just now discovering so much more and even looking at the

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universe, like we just continue to discover more and more about his

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glorious creation. And it’s incredible. Even

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Kepler, which we’re going back several hundred years, but he recognized

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that as well discovered, he described planetary motion.

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He did so much in astronomy. And his foundational

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principle was that I praise you God, because I’m

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seeing things that for 6000 years only

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you have seen, right? And now I’m getting a glimpse of this piece

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of your glory. So what we find is that the more we explore

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of the natural world, the more it points back to the

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love, care, diversity and

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variety of our creator. And

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that’s exciting because technology is increasing to the

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point every week within genetics. We’re

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discovering something new and it points right back to design. Every month

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we’re discovering something new in oceanography and it

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points right back to incredible complexity and design. Yeah.

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And we get to point our kids to that. What a great privilege we have

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as parents. So, wow, so much good stuff. We will again

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put links to all things David Rives in the show notes. But tell us one

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more time where people can find you and your ministry and all you’ve got

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going on. DavidRives.com.

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DavidRives.com to sign up for

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science articles and updates. You can go to

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GenesisScienceNetwork.com to watch

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24/7 content. It’s like the christian version of the Discovery

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Channel. Yeah, we started it seven years ago. And you can watch it

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24/7 with your kids without having to explain

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anything or try to deteach what

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those, those episodes are teaching. You can visit us at the Wonders

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Center and Science Museum in the Nashville region,

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wonderscenter.org. and then you can for

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all resources, go to creationsuperstore.com.

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there’s a lot, but just get involved. Sign up for our

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emails and follow us on social and we’ll go from

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there. Awesome. Well, David, thank you for what you’re doing for the

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kingdom. It is really remarkable. I love how the Lord is using you and your

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team. I know you don’t do it all alone. I’m certain you’ve got an incredible

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team alongside of you to create the things that you have

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created and to bring the resources to the world

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that you have made available. And I love that. I love that you’re taking

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scripture, you’re taking science, you’re coupling them together and you’re presenting

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them to everyone and saying, hey, look at what, what

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God has done. Look at this amazing God we serve. Well, thank you Yvette for

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what you do. Absolutely. Thank you guys for listening. If you

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see you back here on Monday with another fantastic guest. Bye.