SR 894: Teaching Art: Fostering Artistic Talent – Courtney Sanford, Part 3 (Homeschooling Every Subject)

“Art is just one of those things that the more you practice it, the better you get at it.” ~ Courtney Sanford

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Yvette Hampton sits down with Courtney Sanford from the Delightful Art Company. Discover the transformative power of art in homeschooling as they explore fun activities like sculpture, the joys of reading aloud, and even how dads can take an active role in their children’s education.✨

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Delightful Art Co.

The Art of Ancient History, by Courtney Sanford

Reflections on Art History, by Courtney Sanford

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Mark Kistler Art Lessons

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Discussion Questions:

  1. Yvette Hampton shared a humorous story about her younger daughter’s initial disinterest in art changing over time. How can parents identify and nurture hidden talents in their children?

  2. Courtney Sanford mentioned that the ability to draw or paint can be developed through practice. Do you agree that artistic skills are learned rather than innate? Why or why not?

  3. Courtney mentioned the use of Sculpey Clay as a less messy alternative for sculpture projects. What are some other art materials or techniques you’ve found that can help mitigate mess in a homeschool setting, while still providing a rich learning experience? 

  4. The episode briefly discusses the role of fathers in homeschooling, particularly the contribution of Courtney’s husband through reading aloud. What are some other ways dad’s can be more involved in homeschooling, while still managing their work and family responsibilities?

  5. Courtney Sanford shared her husband’s involvement in teaching practical skills like building a trebuchet or fixing cars. How important do you think hands-on projects are in a homeschool environment, particularly for subjects like art and science?

  6. Courtney Sanford emphasized the role of practice and constant refinement in becoming proficient at art. How can this principle be applied to other areas of learning in homeschool?

  7. The episode highlighted several art-related extracurricular activities, from theater to sculpting. How can parents balance structured academic learning with these creative pursuits in their homeschooling and family schedules?

These questions should help stimulate thoughtful discussion about the episode and its content.

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My son was not a fan of going to sleep. He would fight it. And

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so my husband, it was kind of a battle of wills. My husband was like,

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I’m going to read to him till he goes to sleep. And my son was

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like, I’m going to stay up all night. And so this battle of wills

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resulted in them reading tons and tons of literature.

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Hey, everyone, this is Yvette Hampton. Welcome back to the Schoolhouse Rocked

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Podcast. I am back with Courtney Sanford from the Delightful Art Company,

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and we’re talking about art this week. So if you missed Monday’s

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and yesterday’s episodes, go back and listen to those. And this has

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been a fun conversation. Um, I it makes me want to, um.

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As soon as I’m done recording here, go and do some art with my girls,

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because it’s so much fun. I love doing that. I did not know this is.

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I should have brought this picture with me, but my. My

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oldest has always been very artistic. My youngest, she was the one.

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This is so funny. We would pick her up from Sunday

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school. It was the only time we ever left her anywhere, but she would go

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to Sunday school, and they always had a coloring page that went

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along with the Bible story. And before they could

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go play, they would have to color their coloring page. Like, that’s just kind

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of the order that they did stuff in. And she was not going to take

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her time to color in all of the things. So she would take

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one color of one crayon. I don’t think she even cared what color it was.

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And she would scribble across the entire page just to say she

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colored it. And then she’d be like, okay, I’m gonna go play now. And she

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would be off playing because she’s just so active. But she

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never has really been into art. And all of a sudden, last year, she took

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an art class at the co-op that we go to, and

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now she can draw these beautiful portraits. It’s incredible. And it’s

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amazing to me that this girl, who has never really been interested

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in art, all of a sudden can draw people.

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I mean, I can barely draw a stick figure, but she’s drawing eyes

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and faces and noses, and they’re beautifully done,

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like, in awe of how well she’s done on these. But

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God has somehow given her the talent to be able to draw. And we never

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even knew she had this talent. She didn’t know she had this talent. And she

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did her first portrait, and we were like, wow, who did

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that? Did you really do that? And it’s so exciting to see that,

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that’s a myth. The myth that you’re either born knowing how to do it or

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you’re not, I think is kind of a myth that we could bust because

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there are a lot of things that you could learn, like she learned from her

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class. I can teach you a lot of tricks that can take you from stick

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figure to portrait. Yes. Like if you, if you were to walk in and

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I was playing box Brandenburg concerto, you

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probably didn’t think, oh, she just sat down and knew how to do that. You

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would think she practiced for a long time to be able to do

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that. It’s the same with painting. We practice

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a lot. We don’t show you the practice. Nobody sees the practice pieces

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because we throw them away. But we practice a lot. We practice

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those skills of brush control, mixing the colors.

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So there’s a, there’s a lot of practice that people just don’t

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see that goes into drawing and painting. Yes,

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yes, I agree. You know, one of the talents that I think you really

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have to be born with is the ability to sing. I cannot sing

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to save my life. I could probably take voice lessons for ten years and I’m

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still not going to be able to sing well. But art is different,

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and being able to play an instrument is different. We talked about that with Andrew

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a few weeks ago. And so, yeah, I agree. I think art is just one

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of those things that the more you practice it, the better you get at it.

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And I think it’s something that just about anybody can do. So. So we’ll

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talk more about art today, but before we do, I want to say thank you

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Well, Courtney, welcome back

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again to part three of our episode on

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teaching art in our homeschool. And this has been a fun thing to talk about.

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Let’s hit really quickly on sculpture because I know that’s something

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else that you teach, and that’s one of those things that I feel like, well,

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how could, I mean, other than Plato, right? Or maybe getting some clay

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at an art store. How do you teach sculpture in homeschool?

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Well, I started off teaching paper mache, and not all

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kids like that messiness and the feel of paper mache.

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I love it, but more often than not, kids

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hate it. So I have left that behind. I do that

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at home or for the theater for props, but

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I have found that kids like sculpey Clay. It’s not messy. It doesn’t involve

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water. It holds its shape pretty well. And to

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get it. To get. To make something tall and skinny, you

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can wrap it around a toothpick, or you can make a little

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frame out of heavy duty aluminum foil from the

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kitchen. Okay. So those are some easy things that you can build

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a form out of aluminum foil and then just cover it with a

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sculpey clay, and then you just bake it, like, at 300 degrees for

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15 minutes, and then you can paint it. So, sculpey

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clay is so much fun. I just finished doing

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with my high schoolers. We’re going through out

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of the silent planet with cs Lewis, and there

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are creatures from another planet, and we don’t really know

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what they look like. So I read to them what Cs Lewis wrote about what

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they looked like, and then we sculpted them out of sculpey clay,

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and that was really fun because they’re super tall and thin, and that’s hard to

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do, hard to imagine. So we sculpted, like, what

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we thought they would look like, and then we stretched them out, and we got.

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We’d get them to where we liked them, and then we’d bake them, and then

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they would stand up, and some of the students painted them,

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but we. Then we would shine a

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flashlight on them to get some dramatic lighting, and then we would draw them.

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So that was a really fun project. That

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is so fun. Where do you get sculpey clay from? Just any art store? Yeah,

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any art store or Amazon. I like to get a one pound block

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of white sculpey clay. Okay. And it just. It’s

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so easy to work with and mess free. Yeah, I’m writing down that

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down right now, because, again, that’s another thing. I’m always looking for things for Lacey

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to do with her hands while I’m reading because that’s just what she enjoys

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doing. And so, you know, we’re running out of ideas. I’ve done

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that. I’ve done that. I’ve done that. I’ve done that. I pulled out a puzzle

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the other day. She’s like, I don’t want to do a puzzle. Okay, well,

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let’s make bracelets, then I don’t know what to do. And she

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might be inspired by histories. They’re like, in our latin class, they make

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roman coins, or they look at roman coins, and then they make their

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own roman coins, so they might put their own face on their coin. So

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fun. Yeah. And it doesn’t take a ton of equipment. You can

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get plastic carving tools, or you could just use a pencil and

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some stuff from the kitchen to

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shape it. That’s really fun. I know. Even dollar tree actually

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has quite a bit of art supplies, and they’ve got different little,

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kind of like art knives and sculpting knives, things like

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that. Yeah, they’ve got lots of options there. So that might be a

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good place. Yeah. The other tip I’ll give you is if you’re at the dollar

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tree, get one of their pieces of poster board. It feels almost like

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plastic, and it makes the best surface for doing art

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on or clay or anything. So I just buy a bunch of them, and when

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it gets too bad, I just throw it away and get out a fresh one.

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Oh, that is a great idea. Then it doesn’t make a huge mess all over

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your table, and you can lift it up and move it away when it’s time

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for dinner. And not worry about having to eat your

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green beans around your clay, because that’s no fun. Nobody wants to do that.

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So, yeah, sculpture is fine. Do you teach sculpture? Do you have a class

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where you teach sculpture specifically, or do you just incorporate that

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into other classes? Yes, I incorporate a lesson a

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semester in some classes. Okay. So different

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classes have different focuses. But I think it’s important for any

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student who is coming through high school to have experienced

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sculpture of some kind. There are different things you can do with sculpture.

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You could do paper sculptures. Construction paper can be folded and bent

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and glued, but I like for them to have

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some kind of experience with 3d work before they finish

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high school. Yeah. So fun. Okay, let’s talk for a few

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minutes about theater, because I know you have experience with theater

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as well. And this is, of course, one of the primary genres of

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art. I’ll go through those again. We talked about those on Monday. I’m not sure

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if we talked about them yesterday. I think we did. But the seven primary genres

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of art are painting, sculpture, architecture,

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literature, film, theater, and music.

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So talk about theater for a minute. Well, I started out

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my career, so I was graphic designer. My first and best job

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was at the Blumenthal Performing Arts center in Charlotte, which huge performing arts

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center. We had theater, opera, ballet, local theater,

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Broadway shows. And so I got to design

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the ads and the billboards and the posters and everything print

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related, but I also got to go see every play,

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and I didn’t have to pay for it so I could see

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all the opera, which is so expensive. I would have never paid for all

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the opera. So I discovered that I loved opera, and I

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loved ballet and all the things, all the things on the

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stage. So that was just a fabulous. And I was fun

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to contribute to the print and the advertising of that. And then when

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my kids were younger, they were in christian new theater

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around here. And so, of course, I would volunteer to. To help out in

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any way that I could. So a lot of set painting,

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consulting with directors and costumes, and just

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being involved in all the creative stuff. And so what I’ve come to

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believe is that a play is just a painting that

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moves. So when you’re designing a play, you’re thinking about

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the color and the lights, and it all comes together as a

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painting, but it moves and it changes. It has different moods,

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different acts, maybe different paintings. And so for me, that’s

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just a good way to think about theater. Of course, you have

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the elements of music and recitation of

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lines and an expression that informs

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that painting and makes that painting move and be alive. But

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for me, it’s a painting. There used to be, it looked like

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a live painting that people would dress up and

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on a stage, they would stage themselves as the painting, but they were

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real life people. Yes, I remember what that’s called. Yeah,

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we do one here where they retell the story of beauty and the

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beast, but instead of the people being turned into furniture,

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they’re frozen into paintings. And so you have

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scenes where there’s a frame and there’s actually people frozen in the paintings.

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their frame and talk to you, and then they’re like, they have to get back

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into their frame. Oh, that’s so cool. That was a really fun stage

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to design because she wanted the whole stage to look like an art gallery. I’m

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like, I am on it. And so I painted a bunch of huge

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paintings. Three of them were empty. And then my husband designed this

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fake wall so that they could come in and out of their painting. But I

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got to do the whole rest of the stage as big paintings. So that was.

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That’s so cool. That was wonderful. And I love, sometimes I’ll teach set design classes

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there. And so it’s fun to, like, help budding artists

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get their hands on big paintings and teach them how to transfer

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some, a small design that they make into a two story

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mural. Yeah. So that’s a really fun way for

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artists to get involved in theater or your theater, you know, your

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theater people to get involved in art. It’s such a great marriage of all

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the arts, I think. Yes, yes. So very cool. Let’s

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take a break. We’ll be right back.

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We are back with Courtney. Before the break, we were talking, of course,

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about sculpture, and then we talked a little bit about theater.

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oftentimes christian theater groups, homeschool

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groups, which I think are really exciting because it’s getting those kids who

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really are theatrical, or maybe they’re dancers. Like you said, there’s a lot of

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christian dance companies, things like that, where people, kids are being able to use those

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talents that they have and express themselves in that way. And

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so I think that’s really fun. And most of most

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big cities and towns that I’m aware of have

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some opportunity for kids to be able to get involved in those

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things. Of course, one that we’ve been strongly

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involved in is the christian film industry. Of course, we made a movie, schoolhouse

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rocked the homeschool revolution. And for several years, we

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went to the Christian Worldview Film Festival, which was

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amazing. We absolutely loved it. It’s put on by the Kendrick brothers and several

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other Mendenna. And it is such a great

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opportunity for kids to get involved in the world of

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film. As a matter of fact, when you go to the film festival, there

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are many, many families. I don’t know that I

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should say more than half, but it feels like more than half the families there

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are homeschool families, and they go, like, the whole family goes. And so you’ve

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got all the way from babies up through teenagers and young

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adults, and they go as families, and they’re learning about the art of

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filmmaking. And the thing that I love most about it

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and really about anything that we do with

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art is, again, using those gifts and talents that

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God has given us for his glory. And so, you

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know, I think our audience, a lot of them know our story that we’re from

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Los Angeles. My husband worked in the Hollywood film industry for many,

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many years, and he loved the art of film,

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but he hated the industry that he was in because he was like, I’m working

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in an industry that I don’t even believe in. Like, we don’t even have tv.

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We rarely go to the movies. And he, he just

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didn’t, he didn’t like, the product that he

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was producing. And, um. And so the Lord

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brought us into the world of christian film, and we have absolutely

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loved it. And I know there are a lot of really cheesy christian films,

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and some of the films that call themselves christian films are not actually

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christian films. There have been some that we’ve been just deeply

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disappointed in. They’ll put that christian label on it, and then we watch it. We’re

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like, that wasn’t christian at all. What were they

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thinking? But there are some really good christian

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films out there as well. And so, like anything else, you know, you have to

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be particular about what you watch. But when you go to the

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Christian Worldview Film Festival, for those of you who have kids who are

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interested in film, whether it’s

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makeup or set design or, you know, they want to be a location

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scout or a producer or a director or a lighting guy or,

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you know, the camera guy, whatever it is,

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the Christian Worldview Film Festival, they’ve got people who work

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in every part of christian film, and, you know,

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actors, they’ve got it all. And so it’s really fun to go and be in

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the presence of other Christians who are working in that same

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field of christian filmmaking. And so I recommend going to

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the film festival. Typically, I think it’s been in the

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springtime, and they kind of move around. The last few years, they’ve

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live. They’ve hosted it at their church, I think,

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and so look it up. We’ll put a link to it. Christian Worldview Film Festival.

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But for those of you who have kids who are interested in film,

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go with them, if you can, and spend a week going

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to the festival, going to the guild beforehand, which

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is all the instruction and training and classes and networking and meeting

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people. And it’s just a really fun way to develop

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that art of filmmaking in your kids, whether they’re the ones behind the

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camera or in front of the camera or, you know, any of the support

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that comes with making good christian films. So

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I think we need more people in the christian film world who are

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really serious about the gospel and serious about

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getting the gospel message into people’s hands. It’s a great way to do that.

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So, um, anyway. Okay, so that. That’s.

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That’s it. On. On film. Um, I have one last question

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for Courtney. Courtney, I know that one thing that was really important for

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you, um, in your homeschool, you’ve graduated all of your kids,

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but that your husband’s involvement, um, and your homeschooling was a really

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important part of your journey. Talk about that for the last few minutes. Yeah,

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I have to give him a lot of the credit for it. Um, one

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of the things that he did, starting very early on, actually started doing this

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before the kids were homeschool. Age was he

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started reading aloud to them probably at birth. And my

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son was not a fan of going to sleep. He would fight it. And

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so my husband, it was kind of a battle of wills. My husband was like,

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I’m going to read to him until he goes to sleep. And my son was

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like, I’m going to stay up all night. And so this battle of wills

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resulted in them reading tons and tons of literature.

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And this lasted for a long time. So he read aloud, and I think that,

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that really, I’m sure Andrew Pudois talks about this, too.

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Yes. Hearing language read aloud really

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makes a kid smart. And two, having that time with

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their dad, I think, is really important. So it saved my sanity to know

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that in the evenings I could go

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take a bath or just do something all by myself. And he’d be reading

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aloud to the kids, and that was an extension of our

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homeschool. Now, he wouldn’t let me pick the books, which made me sad

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because I really love to integrate everything, and I would have loved

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to have them read, like, something related to what we were doing in history.

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But my husband really did not like that. He did not want to be told

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what to do. And so I think for moms who are listening, I think the

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best advice I can give you is don’t try to tell your husband what to

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do, but let him pick the book.

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It’s totally up to him what he wanted to read. He picked the book

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and he read it so he would not read anything where the dad died.

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So, like, the little princess hated that. Yeah.

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I love that mom dies. It’s okay. So Disney. Oh, gosh.

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Not. Just kidding. Not really. Dad’s always the hero, as he should

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be. Yeah. So he did. He would read aloud, and I enjoyed listening from

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the other room. Like, he would even read Junie B. Jones. And I can remember,

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we can both remember he read one, the one where

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she, she colors on their. Grab their white graduation

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gowns. You know it’s going to happen. You know, she’s going to color on all

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of them. And so, you know it’s coming, and we’re just laughing and crying and

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listening to these books together. It was so much fun. Oh, that’s, you know, from

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Judy B. Jones to Lord of the Rings, he has read it all. Yeah. So

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he did that. And then the other thing that he does is he’s. He’s a

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super diy, which is really why we homeschooled. He was. He was, like,

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looking at the private school going, we could do that. Let’s do it

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ourselves. And so he was on board with homeschooling before I

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was. And then whenever we were doing anything,

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like, if I said, we’re gonna have a medieval feast at our house, he’ll say,

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okay, I’ll build the trebuchet. And so he and a couple other

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dads built, you know, a life size trebuchet, and they.

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They would launch pumpkins, and then they had to do computer simulations to make sure

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the pumpkins would go over the treetops. Yeah. And so the kids

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were all involved in that. And they’ve restored cars.

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They turned a bus into a camper. Wow. He’s taught

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them how to fix their cars and all kinds of stuff

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so that hands on stuff. With dad, they’ve built a da Vinci

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bridge. He did a lot of building at the theater.

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build things, and just, you know, the idea that

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you can figure it out if you want to and we’ll figure it out together

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was huge for them. He also helped, too, when, like,

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if the boys were not really engaged in school, we’d sign them up for

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scuba classes. So he and the boys would take scuba

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classes. Um, my oldest son did it so much, at one point, he was the

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youngest certified Patty scuba instructor in the world.

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Oh, wow. And that’s what he did for his gap year. But it started

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off because he wasn’t giving math at all. And we’re like, you know what? In

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scuba, if you don’t do your math right, you die. So let’s put it in

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school. So you can. You can put it in flight school. If you mess up

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your math, you die. And then they start to pay attention. So that’s kind

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of extremist, but, you know, you do what you got to do. Right,

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right. And you wouldn’t have let them die. They make sure that they know how

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to do their math before they do their math. We check the math. Yeah. No,

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no, no. Kids died in our home school. Yeah. Good. I’m so

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thankful for that. So. Well, that is so fun. I

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love that he was intentional about being involved. I think that more

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dads should be, and I think the reason that they often are

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not is because they don’t know that they’re needed. Um, and they just

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assume mom is doing everything. And maybe mom is not,

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um, intentional about asking him and just saying, hey, I really need your help. I

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could use your help with homeschooling because you. You think it’s only, you know,

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during the daytime hours, Monday through Friday, and oftentimes dad is at work during

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those hours. And so it just seems natural that, well, when dad comes home,

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school is done and he doesn’t need to have any participation in it.

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the homeschool journey. And it’s good because they also build that relationship

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with their kids. Like your dad has done. Not your dad, your husband has done

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with your kids. Yeah, it sure is. And then, you know, the

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evenings and being free to pick the book, those are the key to our

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success, I think. Yes. Yep. Yeah. So fun. Well, Courtney,

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thank you so much for being with us this week. It’s been a true pleasure

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to be able to chat with you. Tell our audience one more time where they

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can find out more about the delightful art co and all of your books and

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your classes, your resources that you have. Go to

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www.delightfulartco.com

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and on the front page you’ll see live classes and that’ll show you all

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the classes that you can do live on Zoom. And then you can

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also find self paced classes, which are recordings, usually of

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me, and it’ll be a set.

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We have different size sets. You can do a short run, see if you like

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it. And then if you go to our shop, we have

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books, so you can use the books at home, give you ideas.

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Once you go through one of the books, you’ll probably be making up your own

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art lessons and integrating art into different subjects.

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It’s just been magical to see how art makes another

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subject more memorable, more engaging and more

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contemplative. Yep. I love it. Thank you so much for being

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with us. And thank you guys for being with us this week. Thank you for

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listening and joining Courtney and myself. It’s been a fun conversation.

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We love you guys. If there’s any way we can be praying for you, please

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let us know. You know, we sent out an email. We send out emails,

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you know, every few weeks, and we sent one out several weeks ago. And it

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was in regards to the hurricanes that had come through North Carolina, which, by the

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way, Courtney is in North Carolina. By God’s grace. She did not

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get hit by the hurricane. It was a few hours from her. But we

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know that several of you have been affected by those

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things. And so we heard from you and it’s been so exciting to hear from

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you, and you’ve sent us emails just saying, here’s our situation with our families.

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Please pray for us. And I want you to know that we are doing that.

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We have been praying for you, and we will continue to do that. So if

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there’s any way that we can be praying for your family, no matter what the

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situation is, we would love to be able to do that. It is truly an

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honor. So you can send us an email at

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podcast@schoolhouserocked.com we love you

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guys so much. We are so grateful for you. Have a great rest of your

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week, and we will see you back here on Monday. Bye.

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