SR 895: Teaching Bible: A Guide for Homeschool Families – Kim Sorgius Jones, Part 1 (Homeschooling Every Subject)

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What does it look like to study God’s Word with our kids?

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It’s messy. I’ll say that. And I think that’s one of

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the things that trips up people the most. And so it’s a good place to

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start. Hey, everyone, this is Yvette Hampton. Welcome

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back to the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast. I am back this week with a

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guest that you guys are going to be so excited about. I know so many

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of you are already familiar with Kim Sorgius Jones, and she

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is with us this week. This is the grand finale of our Homeschooling

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Every Subject series. And I told you, I think at the very beginning of

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the series, my plan was to have Kim come on at the beginning and

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talk about how to teach Bible, because of all the subjects that we’re teaching, that

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is by far the most important one. So I

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wanted her to kick off the series, but then there was a conflict with

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schedules and so she wasn’t able to record until several weeks later. And I

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thought, you know what, this is even better to have her as the grand finale

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because everything that we’ve been talking about really does lead up

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to this specific and most important topic, which is God’s

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Word. And so we’re going to talk about that this week. And I’m so excited

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to have Kim back with me. It’s been a long time. She’s been on the

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podcast before, but it has been several years. We were talking about this and I

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think it’s been probably six years, maybe seven years. I don’t know. It

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was the very beginning of when we started the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast. So

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I am really excited to have her back with me and we’re going to talk

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about some fun things this week. But before we do, I want to

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say thank you to our sponsor, BJU Press Homeschool, which

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by the way is in the hometown where Kim lives. BJU Press is

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in Greenville, South Carolina. And they are amazing. You guys

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know I talk about them all the time. If you’re looking for great biblical,

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bjupresshomeschool.com and if you’re looking for video based or parent

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led, whatever is best for your family, they have something for

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you. BJU Press Homeschool.com. Well, Kim,

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welcome back to the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast. I am so glad to have

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you back with me. For those who are maybe not familiar, which it

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seems almost impossible that a homeschool parent would not be familiar

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with your ministry, not consumed, talk about who

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you are Talk about your family and about your ministry.

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All right, well, thank you for having me back. It is good

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to be back. And I’m excited to talk about this

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topic because that is very much what we

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do here. So I am with Not Consumed

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Ministries. We have been around since

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about 2012 and we’ve been

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producing Bible studies, Bible devotionals and materials

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and things to help kids getting the

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Word. I created this because that was

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my passion. I started, I actually started my very first Bible study

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that we ever wrote was about obedience. And I wrote it because you

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can still buy that Bible Study Day, by the way, still a top seller. Imagine

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that. But I wrote it because, you know, I wanted

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my kids to obey, you know, like everybody. But

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I knew that if I wasn’t watching and like on them,

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there was gonna have to be something bigger than just me telling them.

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And so, you know, I realized I was like, you know, the

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bigger is not me. I have no final say in their life.

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The bigger is God, and I need to get that into their hearts.

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And the only way I’m going to do that is if they open the Bible

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themselves and they really get in here and understand, well, why should I

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obey? And so that thought was all born.

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You know, we wrote the Bible study and started teaching my

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kids those things and then brought along families along way.

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And so we now have quite a few. You see behind me

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a series of Bible studies that kids can do

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at every age level. That’s one of the big things that,

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you know, we stand for. We don’t want you to water down the Bible. We

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don’t want you to use other materials to interpret

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it. Like we want to read the Bible as is

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written. And then we want to be able to share that with our kids. We

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want them to be in the Word. And we. I have four

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kids and two bonus kids. So we’re a family

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of eight now, which is pretty fun and exciting. Plus we

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gotten some additional. We were talking more about

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married in. So you have one daughter who’s now married,

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homeschool graduate, and she’s

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second one about to get married here in a couple of weeks. Another one engaged.

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And so three out of six are almost

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of married people, which is crazy. And the baby

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all the way down is 14. Wow. So

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it seems almost impossible at this point. Yeah,

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but we would be there. But yes. So I have

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personally graduated two kids from homeschool and going

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to graduate as a senior this year. I actually started homeschooling

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when my kids were very little. I started as a. An

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evaluator for my friends, because I was a teacher,

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and in the state of Florida, you have to have an evaluation

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done, or you take a test. Like, you know, there’s a couple

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options, and one of them is an evaluator. And so my friends were like, hey,

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would you do this? Because you want someone who understands our passion. We don’t want

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to just go to some random teacher. Right. And

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I was introduced to the world of homeschooling. You know, through that, I

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got to start seeing, oh, there’s some interesting resources here. And

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so then when my kids started getting a little bit older, I

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realized I don’t really think I want to send them to

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school. Yeah. And I think that I would like something

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different. And so my kids have actually never gone to school. They’ve only been

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homeschooled. It can be done even through, as

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you alluded already, single mom years. I was a single mom homeschooling

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for almost 13 years. So

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it was worth it. And it was a wonderful, wonderful blessing in our

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lives. Not quite done yet, but it’s been. It’s been amazing.

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Yeah, you’re getting there. And, like, you’re at the same point I am. I have.

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My youngest is 14. And so I know these next few years will

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just fly by as all the other years have. It seems like the further you

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get, the faster the years pass. Right. I don’t know how that happens,

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but, man, it is so crazy. And so. And

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I know it’s so funny. I’ve been to a couple of conferences where you’ve been

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speaking, and if you’ve been to a conference where Kim is speaking,

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you just know that you’re gonna have to wait in line to talk to her,

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because I’ll go to your booth, and there will be a line, like,

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wrapped around your booth of people waiting to talk to you. I’m like, I guess

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I’ll just have to talk to her on the phone, because there’s no way I’m

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gonna have time to talk to you at this conference. And so it’s

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fun. I know that your ministry has really helped a lot

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of homeschoolers to focus their attention

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on Bible teaching. And so that’s what we’re here to talk about this

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week. You know, I was. I was doing some research. It

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seems kind of funny to do research on Bible study because this is such a

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big part of our life. But I was doing some research on just how, like,

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how do we teach the Bible to our kids? And one of the things that

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I came across that I thought was so interesting and this is. I almost

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hesitate to say where it’s from because I don’t agree with

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many of the things that they post, but I agree with a lot of the

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things that they post, but it’s from the Gospel Coalition. And one of the things

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that they said in this article where they were talking about teaching your kids how

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to study the Bible is that Bible reading is not Bible study. And that

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really caught my eye. And I thought, oh, wow. And it says this. It says,

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Bible study is not the same as Bible reading. If Bible reading is like

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it says, if Bible reading is like raking for leaves, Bible study is like

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digging for diamonds. The Christian life calls for both. And I thought that is

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so true, because often we think that, well, if we just read the Bible, we’re

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studying the Bible, but not necessarily we can read the

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Bible. Whether we’re listening to it or reading, you know, our physical

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Bible, or listening to a sermon on a Sunday morning or

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Wednesday night or whenever, or listening to a podcast about Bible study. We can do

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all of these things. But that’s all very different than actually studying the

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word of God. And so we want to talk about how we can

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study God’s Word with our kids and teach them to become

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passionate about God’s Word because it’s life changing. I mean, there’s

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nothing more life changing than knowing the word of God. And we can

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only know it if we study it. So talk for a few

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minutes about just what, what that looks like. What does it look

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like to study God’s Word with our kids?

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It’s messy, I’ll say that. And I think that’s one

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of the things that trips up people the most. And so it’s a good place

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to start. Um, you know, I, When I speak at

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conferences, I have a picture of my

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second, my daughter with a bucket on her head

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and her hair is, like, wrapped around it. And we’re sitting at the table and

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you can see that, like the Bible and some other stuff is

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sitting there. And I’m like, if this is what your family devotions look

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like, you’re in good company. Like,

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it’s normal. Like, you know, we think, you

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know, that quietness is holiness. Right?

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And it’s not. It’s not at all. I mean, in a church

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setting, perhaps because you’re disrupting other people and you need to.

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We gotta be a little bit more quiet so we can hear what’s going on

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and stuff. But in your house, it’s. It’s not the same thing. And so,

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you know, we get wrapped up in thinking, oh, you know, I could say that

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might interrupt or this might happen or that might happen, and we can’t, you know,

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get it done. And I think that’s the biggest hurdle that we have for. Well,

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really a lot of things, but definitely for time and word. Yeah, it’s, you

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know, looking for the perfect thing, looking for the quiet kids,

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looking for the sitting still kids, you know, like, all of those things. And that’s

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not going to happen. So, you know, if we can throw that out first, that’s

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going to help us a lot as we proceed through, you know, what does this

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need to look like, you know, next? And, you know, so that’s one of the

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things that I think trip people up. The other thing that I think trips them

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up, I kind of alluded to already, and that’s not using the Bible.

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And it’s amazing how many people are like, yeah, we’re studying the Bible and they’re

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not reading the Bible. And I’m like, but are you really.

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What. But we were reading this really great book.

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Okay, good. But that’s not the Bible. And there are some good books out

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there. But, you know, as we’re seeing,

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I mean, I think in today’s culture, we’re seeing more and more and

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more resources trusted places where you

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maybe previously would be like, I’m not afraid to. To read a quote from this

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place. Now I am, you know, because they’re shifting their

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views. Like, we can’t set our kids up for that. We have to make sure

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that our kids know here is the truth, and the truth is in the Bible.

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And you don’t listen to my words. Don’t listen to your friend’s words.

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Don’t listen to this guy’s words. Don’t even listen to your pastor’s words. Yeah, you

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get in the Bible and make sure, you know, that what they’re saying is true.

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Yeah. And you got to find it, you got to study it, you got to

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find it for yourself, you know, and that is just, you know,

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there’s never been a time in history where it’s more important than it is now

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that our kids are getting that. So we have to, you know, get rid of

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those books that are like, well, this is the story version of the Bible. No,

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we need the Bible. Right, Absolutely. The real Bible.

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And so that’s the other thing I find. Okay, so since we’re talking

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about errors and things that I find people kind of don’t get quite

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right when they. When they walk into this. The third is

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they do it Very corporately.

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Studying the Bible can’t be a corporate thing. Right? So,

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you know, and if you think about it, the best way to explain it is,

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you know, you go to church and, right. The pastor is preaching,

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and you’re catching some stuff. And if you go

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home and talk to your family about what the pastor said and

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you discuss the sermon, it’s amazing. The stuff that other people catch that

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you’re like, yeah, I didn’t catch that. Right. But you sat in the

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same sermon, didn’t you? It’s like, wait, how did we miss that? But that’s the

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way it works, right? Because we’re. We’re only hearing part of it. And some of

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us hear a little bit more because some of us will catch

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more when. When we’re processing something auditory.

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Auditory. And some of us don’t get that. Some of us that’s.

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That’s a struggle. And so we need. You know, for me, I really like to

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see it. So, you know, I’m in church always with my Bible, and he’s

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reading it, and I’m like, I’ve got to see it. Right. Because it doesn’t

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quite translate for me when you’re talking as much as when

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I’m looking at it and I’m reading those words. So

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Bible study in your house can’t be corporate, and it can’t be,

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you know, and we see this happen all the time. You

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know, we go and buy a Bible study one, and mom is

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sitting around the table with six little ones and reading it out

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loud. And it’s the same thing as going to church. It’s not that it’s bad.

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I mean, anything. Anything you’re getting out of church is amazing, Right? Right. Yes.

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Assuming you’ve got a sound pastor. But if you

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really want more and you really want to know the word, going to

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church isn’t enough. It’s not enough to just hear what the pastor is

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saying. You got to go home, you got to open up the Bible, and you

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got to see. First of all, you need to test that what he’s saying is

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true. But then second of all, you need to apply this to your life.

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Right. And so as you’re doing that, you know, you’ve got to have the

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Bible and you’ve got to have it yourself. Yes. And

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so that. Those are kind of important things that I think, you

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know, if there’s a secret potion, that’s it, you know? Yeah. Get

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a Bible. Get every kid.

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Everybody gets a Bible. A real Bible. Yeah. I mean, I, you

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know, I’m not about translators. You know, you pick the translation

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you study and decide for your family what the best translation

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is. But you can’t, you know, translation

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is not the same as completely paraphrased storybook,

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devotional book type content. Yep. And so be

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very careful about finding those kinds of things. Right. And

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calling them the Bible. They may have a place, but it’s not

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to study the Bible because it’s not the Bible.

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Absolutely. You know, and we want that for our kids. We want them to have

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that, their own Bible, their own tools in general,

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actually. And. And you would do that with every other subject that. The light bulb

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always goes on for moms. When I say. So when you bought a

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math curriculum for your kids, did you read it out loud at the table?

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No. You wouldn’t even think to do that. Right. And did you

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buy only one? They covered all age levels and just figured they would

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just figure it out. Right. No, you didn’t do that

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because you wouldn’t even like you, you know that that makes no sense for

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math. The Bible is the same. It doesn’t make sense for the

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Bible either. What you can study in the Bible as a 7 or 8 year

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old is very different than what my 19 year old can study in the Bible.

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we’re, we may be at different levels maturity wise, we’re different levels, you know,

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spiritually, but we’re definitely at different levels in what we can read and

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process, you know, at those stages. And that’s normal and that’s good.

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But you know, we wouldn’t expect them to be processing that same

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thing, you know, in a math lesson. We shouldn’t expect that in Bible

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either. Yeah, absolutely. Let’s take a break. We’ll be right back.

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love talking about the importance of just being in God’s Word. And it’s one of

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the things that I think you’re very good at with your ministry is it’s not.

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You’re not just giving people a book or a resource and saying, here,

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read this alone. My daughter Lacey is using the

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Anchored, Anchored it’s foundation series that you

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have at. It’s. I think it’s behind you for those watching the video, but it

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has these little booklets in it. And in the booklets, what it does is it

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points her to scripture. So she has to look up the scripture and then there

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are thoughtful questions that go along with it. And so she has to actually

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think through, like, what am I reading? What does this mean? Instead of just reading

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to check off a box, she’s reading it and having to think

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through it. And I think that’s been really helpful. And it is helpful for people

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to be able to study the Bible that way, because one of

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the things that we talk about on this podcast oftentimes is asking questions. Like, the

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way that we teach our kids to learn is we ask them questions because they

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have to process the things that they’re thinking through the things that they’re learning. And

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so for reading a history lesson, read the history lesson, and then you ask the

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questions about the history lesson and see if they can answer them. And so

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with God’s Word, it’s the same. They have to be able to process what

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it is that they’re reading so that we know that they’re understanding

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it. And if they don’t understand it, I mean, sometimes Lacey will come across something

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and she’ll be like, I have no idea what that means, Mom. And so we’ll

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go back. There was. I wish I could remember there was something recently that we

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were talking about during our Bible time. And I was like, what does that

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mean? She’s like, I don’t even know. And so I said, okay,

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well, let’s go back and let’s look at this. And so we looked at the

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verses that came before it, and it helped it to make more sense. And

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so that is studying the Bible. And it’s so important for us to teach

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our kids to do that. And it’s important for us to learn how to do

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that as well. You know, we have to know in our own world how

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to exposit the word of God. And so

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it’s quite a challenge. I know. Talk really quickly. We have

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a few minutes left for this episode, and we’re going to talk lots

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more about how to study the Bible. But for the parent maybe, who is,

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maybe they’re a new Christian or maybe they’ve been a Christian for some time, but

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they’ve never really gotten into Bible study, how would you

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encourage that parent to walk alongside their

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kids and teach them how to study the Bible? Yeah, so

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I would really encourage that parent the same way I would encourage anybody. And

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that’s because what you just said a second ago, and that is, as

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adults, a lot of times people didn’t even tell us how to study the

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Bible. You know, they say things like, oh, a good Christian reads the

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Bible. But there’s no. There’s nothing after that. There’s no,

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like, well, let me show you what that means. Let me talk to you about

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what a quiet time is. Let me tell you, like, why that’s important. You know,

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like, we just don’t do that. We don’t talk about those things at

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all. And I still see it nowhere, even in

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today’s culture. And I feel like it’s so missing that we

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don’t have that time to sit down and talk about that. It is a skill

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that everyone learns, by the way. So is prayer. Same

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thing. You don’t just know how to pray to a

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new Christian. It’s like, how do you know this? Well, you don’t

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just know. It takes a lot of practice. It takes a lot of time. It

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takes you listening to people pray and things

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like that. And you’re like, oh, I could pray about that. Right. But we

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forget, you know, a lot of times we. We’ve grown up in the faith maybe,

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and, you know, we forget that we actually don’t know

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that. So I find it’s actually easier for newer believers to help their

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kids because they know what they don’t know, right? And they’re like, we’re going to.

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Together, we’re going to go through this. We’re going to learn how to pray, and

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together we’re going to learn how to have a quiet time, and we’re going to

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learn how to look at a piece of scripture and we’re going to learn how,

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you know, to do all of these things. And when you’ve been in the faith

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a long time, you grew up in church, a lot of times you just think,

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wait, like, we know these things. Like, we don’t even. We don’t even. We don’t.

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Like, it’s just second nature. Yeah, yeah. And what you’re talking

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about really is discipleship. And so we’re discipling

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the hearts of our children. And if we are not

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at a place where we’re. Where we really know how to disciple their

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hearts, hopefully there’s someone in our lives and in our world, even as

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adults, who can help disciple us so that we can help disciple them.

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And we’ve talked about this so many times. But, you know, discipleship is not throwing

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your kids in Sunday school or to youth group and expecting the

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children’s pastor or the youth pastor to disciple your kids and

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teach them the word of God. That’s our job as parents, which is why most

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of us, many of us at least home, educate our kids because we want to

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be the ones in charge of discipling their hearts and teaching them

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the ways of God. And there’s so much more to talk about, but we are

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out of time. This episode just flew by so fast.

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Kim, tell us really quickly and on Thursday’s episode, we’ll go

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through some of the resources that you have, because you have, like I said, so

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many great resources. But tell us really quickly where people can

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find out more about you and the not consumed ministry. You can find

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us NotConsumed.com and we would love to

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connect with you there. We even have a free Bible study that you can sign

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up for and print it and then kind of just get in, get into the

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groove together. So it’s a good place to check it out. Fantastic. And we’re going

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to actually talk a little bit about that free Bible study on Wednesday. So join

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us again on Wednesday. We love you guys. Thank you so much for being

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with us. If you’ve not left a review for this podcast, would you take a

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If you’re watching this on YouTube, leave us a comment and just bring

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encouragement to other homeschool families who are looking for these same things. They’re wanting to

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know how do I teach the word of God to my kids? How do we

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teach all of these subjects to my kids in a way that points them back

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to their savior? So thanks for being with us. We will see you back here

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on Wednesday. Stay tuned to the end to hear what’s coming up next. Bye.