SR 901: Christ Over Culture: Homeschooling in a Postmodern Era – Andrea Crum, Part 1

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I think you have this kind of collision of a lot of things happening at

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once that made us a weak church and made these

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ideas very aggressive in society. And then as a weak church, we weren’t really able

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to combat them with biblical truth. Hey, everyone, this is

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Yvette Hampton. Welcome back to the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast. I

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am so glad you were with me this week. I have a new guest with

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me. Her name is Andrea Crum and we are talking about

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culture. She has a new book out called Christ Over Culture. And I have

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been reading this book and you guys, it is fantastic. I’m always so excited

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to get these books in my hands and you are going to be so

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encouraged. We’re going to talk about culture this week because it’s a topic that for

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all of us, it. We’re surrounded by the craziness

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that is in our world right now and we need to know how to handle

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this with our kids. And so Andrea is here to help us with that. But

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Well, Andrea, welcome to the Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast. I have so

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enjoyed reading your book and I’m so excited we have

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rescheduled this interview. I think three. I think this is on

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time three. Third time is a charm. So we finally made it on

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after two cancellations. We’ve had busy schedules. My

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family’s been sick. If you can hear my voice, you guys might

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hear that. It sounds a little bit raspy this morning. It’s because I’m

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sick again, you guys. Our family is sick again. It’s so crazy. But

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that’s okay. That’s the world that we live in. And by God’s grace, we are

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on the path to healing. So. And I’m so glad I’m finally able

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to get on with Andrea. Andrea, introduce

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yourself to us and your family and what it is that you

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do. So I’m so excited to be here. So I am Andrea Crum.

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We have a ministry. My husband Matt and I have a ministry called Genuine Family

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Ministries. And we’re a nonprofit and we exist to really

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equip families and students to understand both

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the biblical worldview and the biblical perspective, as well as the postmodern worldview

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and perspective that we see today. So that our kids can really

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discern between the biblical ideas in scripture and

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the anti biblical ideas out there so they don’t fall for them. So that’s really

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what we’re about. We have conferences, we do webinars, all those kind of

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things to help equip families. And then also I have a

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14 year old son and an 11 year old son. So we’ve

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been married for almost 22 years and we live in the Dallas

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area. Well, I love talking about culture. I love this topic

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because it’s one that is important for all of us. And as homeschool families, you

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know, I think that many years ago we used to think that we were

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this like special group of people who

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didn’t have access to the outside world. We would, we had this bubble around our

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kids and we would protect them from all of the harmful things that were

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out there. And as much as we still try to protect our kids, it’s impossible

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to do so. And we are certainly, and you talk about this

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in your book, that we are really living in a world our kids are growing

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up in, a world that is so vastly different than

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what we grew up in. I mean, it’s. The challenges that our kids are

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facing are beyond anything I could have imagined. I

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never would have imagined growing up that I would be parenting kids in

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this kind of a society. And so first I want to talk about how did

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we get to this point where our society has

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become really a godless society that has rejected God in so

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many ways, or we have kind

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of formed our own opinion of who we think God is. And we’ll talk a

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little bit more about that. But as you’ve done your

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research, how have we gotten to this

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point? Yeah, I think there’s two primary things that have

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probably come together around the same time. So, gosh, 80

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to 100 years ago, some of these ideas that we’re seeing in culture, that’s when

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they started. They started 1920s. You started seeing the

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critical theory come about in the

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1940s. You start seeing post modernism and the ideas that

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we need to focus on our feelings and our

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perspectives. And it’s all about me and what I believe and not

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necessarily what the author or the creator intended. So you start seeing These ideas probably

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80 to 100 years ago, but they just really hit the

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culture in just a very accelerated way in the last several decades. And I

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think a lot of us would say really in the last four years, it just

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seems to have exploded in a lot of ways ever since 2020.

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So you’ve got that going on. You have the fact that a lot of these

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people who are starting a lot of these ideas went into academia. So they went

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into the education system, higher, higher education,

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typically in the university and college level. And they were teaching our

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kids that we were sending off to these college institutions, these things,

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and started to really indoctrinate them into these ideas. So you

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have that going on, I think, in culture in general. And you had all these

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people going into institutions like government or wherever, even

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our churches, right. That had these ideas. So you have all that happening.

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And at the same time, I think about just anecdotally

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me growing up in the 1980s and

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going to church and we really, a lot of us

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were in seeker friendly churches. We were just told,

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say this prayer and you’ll be saved. And there was no conversation about

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discipleship or what it even mean to know scripture or read

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our Bibles. We didn’t even know what that looks like. And so now here we

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are with a very biblically illiterate culture in the church

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as well. We don’t know what we believe. We don’t understand blood atonement. There’s so

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many things we don’t understand doctrinally about what we believe. And we don’t know how

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to pass that on to our kids because we were never taught. And so. And

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now we’re in this place where we’re this busy society, all of us are so

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busy doing all these things. And honestly a lot of us want to stick our

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head in the sand and don’t even want to address it in some cases too.

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So I think you have this kind of collision of a lot of things happening

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at once that made us a weak church and made these

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ideas very aggressive in society. And then as a weak church, we weren’t really able

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to combat them with biblical truth. Yeah, you’re right

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that parents often want to stick their heads in the sand. And I don’t

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quite understand that because you can do that,

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but you still can’t ignore everything that’s going on around us. Right. You can

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pretend like it’s not happening, but the things that are happening in our

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society right now are so prevalent and they’re in our faces all the

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time and they’re in our kids faces all the time. And so

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how as parents who. I want you to talk just for a Second to the

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parent who’s like, you know what? I know that

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it’s happening, but I’m not exactly sure what to do about it.

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And so I’m just going to pretend like it’s not happening, and I’m just going

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to go on my merry way and live my life the way that I’ve always

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lived it and parent the way that I’ve always parented. Talk to that person

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who is just like, yeah, it is there. I know, but that is for someone

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else to deal with. And I am just going to pretend like it is not

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really present. I am going to ignore it. So I actually had

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someone talk to me about this at our conference this last week. And

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she is actually a grandma who is raising her grandchildren

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because the mother isn’t available to do

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so or father. She said to

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me, this is on day two of our conference, and it is filled with lots

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of information and all sorts of things. And so she says to me on day

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two, she said, you know, I kind of wish I didn’t come

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because now I know, now I have

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knowledge, and now I have a responsibility to do something with that

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knowledge. I can’t just pretend and stick my head in the sand

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anymore. And so I think that that is the

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fear, okay? If I know, then I have to do something about it. And you

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know what? That’s going to make me uncomfortable as a parent. I don’t want to

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change my life. I don’t want to have to start to study these things. I

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don’t want to have to start thinking about these things. I want to stay in

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my bubble and complacent and comfortable,

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you know, and content in that. The problem is these ideas come

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home. All these ideas come home. And when we are complacent

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and not focused on what’s happening, you

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think your kid is protected, but your kid is not protected. Your kid is being

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infiltrated with all these ideas. And so what I’ve seen, unfortunately, is that

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there are conservative Christian families who have kids who are

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now in the LGBTQ lifestyle, for example. They would have never thought

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that that would come home because didn’t the parents tell them they didn’t agree with

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that? Didn’t the parents watch only Fox News? You know, didn’t all these things happen

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right in the home? But they weren’t protecting and preparing their kids for

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these ideas. The other thing that happens is that I was talking to somebody even

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yesterday is like, just because even if your kid doesn’t fall into these

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ideas, that the stats are now that about 1/3 of our kids are falling

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into this lifestyle. But let’s say your kids, the two thirds

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that isn’t in this lifestyle, that doesn’t mean that they’re not

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going to be accepting and affirming of this lifestyle and teach their kids when

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they have kids that it’s okay. And so you start to have this

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culture where we now have affirmed it. And the problem, I think, you know, when

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people will say, why are Christians only preaching

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about lgbtq? Why aren’t they preaching about all these other things? And the problem with

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this particular topic in general is that it separates sin and salvation. It

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says that God doesn’t care about sin. And if God doesn’t care about sin, he

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didn’t need Jesus to come and die on the cross. And so we really have

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a gospel problem when we are affirming this particular lifestyle now. We need to

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be compassionate and caring and loving and come alongside people who are struggling

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this and love them well. But to say it is okay, that is where

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we really get into a gospel problem. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Let’s take

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a break. We’ll be right back.

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We are back with Andrea. This is a quote that I read in your book

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and I thought it was so powerful. It was one that I underlined it and

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I highlighted it both and I put a star next to it because when I

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read it, I was like, wow, this is so true. And this is what you

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said. It said this insistence on God’s love as his

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only attribute has in many ways made the gospel of Jesus

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null and void in the Christian church. If God’s character excludes his

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order, holiness, justice, judgment, wrath,

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and grace, then Jesus sacrifice on the cross was not

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necessary. And we have seen this take

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place in progressive Christianity and progressive ideology.

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And it’s sometimes, I think, hard as Christians to recognize this because we

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see the love is love everywhere and we’re just to love one another.

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But before the break, you were talking about how this is. This has infiltrated the

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church and love can’t be God’s only attribute. It

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is an amazing attribute. I mean, God is certainly

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love, but we’ve twisted that so much and so talk about that

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for a few minutes and how that has caused so much damage to

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our society and to the church today. Yeah, absolutely.

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So, you know, the way I like to think about it and talk about it

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is that God’s love sent Jesus to the cross. Right. Because justice

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is what required the cross. The cross was a requirement. And what’s

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happened in our society. And you think about all these ideas, especially like deconstruction

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so this is a big idea that has come into the church with progressive Christianity,

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which from my perspective, is a postmodern view of

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Christianity. So you think about that coming into the church

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deconstruction. People are tearing down doctrine, they’re tearing down belief systems.

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They’re looking at Scripture through their own eyes. And you hear a lot.

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You hear some very famous pastors talking about unhitching the

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Old Testament, the New Testament. But when you do that, you

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have no longer a foundation for understanding God’s

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requirement for sacrifice, atonement, justice,

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reconciliation between us and him because

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of sin. And so you no longer understand his requirement for

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blood. You know, the Old Testament sacrifices, the

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purity of the animals that was required, the blemish free. And then the fact that

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that mirrors what Jesus came to be and who he is

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and the fact that he is sinless and he is pure and he is holy,

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and he could be that sacrifice in our place. And

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so when we lose all that understanding, we no

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longer look at Jesus as Lord and Savior. We look at him as

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like a good moral guy. And that’s what you’re seeing in these progressive circles.

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You’re seeing Jesus is actually kind of being held up as a

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smarter for. For the powerless. Right. He’s the, you know, he

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came to bring truth to power, and he was fighting the system. And,

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you know, and they use, you know, the ideas of them, you know, flipping the

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tables or speaking truth to power with the Pharisees, they use these ideas to

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suggest and to kind of meet a narrative of saying

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that God was all about making sure that the power structures

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were taken down and that the marginalized are lifted

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up. And so I think they just used that as a way to come into

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the church and to have that same ideology in the church. But now looking at

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it from a more biblical perspective, looking at

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from how a Christian would think about these things, they’re looking at it using those

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terms and those words to retell a story, right? Yeah.

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You know, I had never heard the word deconstruction until I would say, the last

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couple of years. And at first I was like, what does that even mean?

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And I hate these cool words that even

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are used in the church and in Christianity. But it is

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so sad that you look at so many pastors, you look at so many

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Christians, you look at, you know, Christian

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artists, actors, people like that who are like,

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yeah, what I once believed, I don’t believe anymore.

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And then they want to drag all these people along with them, you know, want

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to drag them down and Say, no, you know what? It’s really not true. I’ve

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said this for all these years. I’ve stood on the pulpit and

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I’ve talked to people and preached, preach the good news of the

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Gospel, but I don’t actually believe it anymore.

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And it’s so sad. I mean, it’s. It is.

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I think that has really caused so much damage to the church because then people

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are. It’s almost like if the parents said

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to the child, we’re a Christian family. We’re a Christian family. We’re a Christian family.

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And then as a child’s growing up, just kidding, I changed my mind.

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I’m not. We’re not actually a Christian family. Well, what is that supposed to do

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to your children and your family? Well, that’s what’s happening in the church, right,

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Is that these leaders are deconstructing their

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faith, and then all of these people are following them

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and they’re wolves in sheep’s clothing who are leading sheep astray.

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So you talk about again in your book, why the church has really

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succumbed to the diminishing and dulling of the Christian faith

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and our understanding of scripture and the one true God.

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And as we look at this, why the church has done

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this, what are the reasons that you think this has happened? So one

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is definitely the lack of discipleship in the home, the lack

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of understanding what we really believe. I think that

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we. A lot of times I didn’t even think about my own experience, but I

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don’t think it’s so different from other people. You know, went to church camp,

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asked the Lord into my heart, got a really cool high feeling and

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peaceful. And then within a couple of days, I’m back to my old life

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again and feeling like I’m. Every time I

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would go to pray, feeling like the prayers are hitting the ceiling, not knowing

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what I was reading in Scripture and felt like the Word was really boring. So,

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you know, not having anybody there to really guide me through what the

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richness and the beauty that we find in Scripture and the power

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of prayer and the fact that it, you know, that God hears us and that

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builds our relationship with him and what a beautiful thing that is. And so I

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really think the fact that we haven’t been discipled into what it means to actually

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follow Christ, what it means to be sanctified, what it means to

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actually live a life that honors and glorifies him, means that we

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haven’t been changed ourselves as well. And so you start to see that

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impacting culture, it impacts our own faith. Because if we don’t have

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that relationship with Christ. It’s not really surprising that people start

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to turn away because the thing that they thought was true, they’re not really believing

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is true because they haven’t experienced that truth in their lives.

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Yeah, yeah. So talk then for a minute about discipleship. What does discipleship

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look like? So discipleship looks like one. The

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person who is discipling has to be filled up, right? They have to have a

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full. Well, they have to be somebody who’s spending time with God in

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God’s word, learning. Their. Their intellect needs to

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be building up, and then that person goes and shares what they’re

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learning. So the discipleship I do, I have a young girl that

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I mentor. And in that relationship, we go through

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scripture. We go through. We’re going through a chapter, right, of the Bible, and

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each week we go through a chapter of the Bible, and we’re

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going through Ephesians right now. And so then we talk about it. And through

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that, we talk about some of those big words, right? Like what is reconciliation,

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what is sanctification, what is some of these core

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ideas, Original sin, Like all these core ideas, we’re able to talk through

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those also talking about what does that mean to our personal life. But at the

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same time, you’re teaching them the doctrines of the things that we’re thinking about.

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And so often I think discipleship, it can look like going and getting another

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book that a Christian author has written. Those can be

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good supplements. But really, in our discipleship, we need to be starting with God’s word

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to make sure we have a firm foundation of that first before I think we

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move into some of those other supplemental opportunities. Yeah, for sure. And it is

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so important. And, you know, of course, we talk about this all the time on

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the podcast. Of course, it is our job as parents to be the

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primary disciplers of our children. That’s what God has called us to.

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But we can’t do that unless we know what the word of God says.

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You can’t give what you don’t have. And so in order for us

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to disciple our kids, we have to know Jesus. And it doesn’t mean we have

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to understand every single thing about scripture and every single thing about the

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attributes of God, because we can learn along with our kids, but we do have

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to be a few steps ahead of them so that we can help

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explain, you know, this is who God is. Let’s read the Bible together, let’s study

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the Bible together. And it’s a great privilege that we have as parents.

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So we are out of time, though. We will be back on Wednesday. Andrea,

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tell our audience where they can find out more about you and your book. Your

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book is called Christ Over Culture and it is excellent, you guys. I

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have lots of highlighting in this book. It is all over,

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so I highly recommend that you get it. Where can people find that and find

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out more about your ministry? So we are on Instagram and Facebook at

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Genuine Family Ministries, and we’re also online at GenuineFamilyMinistries.com and

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the book is available at MasterBooks.com as well as on

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Amazon. Okay, we’ll put all those links in the notes for you guys to find

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