TD 12: Andrew Pudewa – Preparing for Persecution: Faith, Family, and Fortitude

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This is the exact opposite of what

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almost everyone from the beginning of history until, you know, the last

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150 years has believed, that

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actually iron sharpens iron. When people challenge each

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other, when they engage in meaningful debate, that’s what

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actually helps us clarify our thinking and helps

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us reach a truer position with a.

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Bad back but a good attitude and broadcasting from a

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little room right off the kitchen in northeastern Oklahoma.

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I’m your host, Garrett Hampton, and you are listening to the thinking

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dad, I am so glad you’ve joined me today. I have a

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really great show lined up for you. I have my very

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good friend Andrew Pudewa with me today. He is a

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great man, and I know you’re going to love this. Andrew is the founder and

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director of the Institute for Excellence in Writing and the

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father of seven and grandfather of

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16. So he is an experienced thinking

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dad. Andrew’s also the star of Schoolhouse

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Rocked: The Homeschool Revolution, and he’s the reason

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we are in northeastern Oklahoma. Andrew invited us to

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come here and said, I think you’d really love it. And he wasn’t wrong. We

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do love it here and we love being close to him. I know you’re going

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Well, I mentioned that Andrew travels and

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speaks extensively, and he normally speaks on

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topics like teaching and writing and speaking and

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spelling. Nice, important educational

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topics that leave moms feeling uplifted and

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encouraged. He tells jokes every time he speaks, and moms,

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as they leave, are just happy and uplifted. Right. But

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recently, Andrew, you added a talk to your repertoire that

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kind of broke the mold and should be a

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huge bummer for people. But this talk has been received

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really, really well and I think has ultimately been an

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encouragement. It’s called preparing for

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persecution. And then there’s a subtitle which we’ll

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discuss later. How did this talk

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come about? Well, I think

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the COVID years did a couple things for everyone.

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It made us kind of recalibrate and look at

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what was going on around us and maybe read a little bit

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more and contemplate a little bit more what was happening in our

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world. For me, there were a few things

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that pointed directly to,

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I wouldn’t say a pessimistic, but maybe a more

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realistic idea of where

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the world and the governments of the world are headed.

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And historically, there’s

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certainly a great precedent for the

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persecution of christians in one place or time or another. From the

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beginning until now, somewhere in the world,

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it’s always been going on. And I think that for a lot

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of us, we just have kind of always assumed, well, that could never happen

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here. Our schools

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would never teach that, or our government would never do that, or our

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state would never go that far. And yet all these kind

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of indications that, well, maybe it could, maybe

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we should figure out what to do to be best

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prepared for a more uncertain future. And so that

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kind of combined, I think, with the promptings of the Holy Spirit, which I

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was pretty much

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not terribly receptive or open to. I was originally going to.

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I originally thought I was supposed to call it preparing for martyrdom. Oh,

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boy. That’s a little on the heavy side. Nobody would come to hear

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that, so, you know, just slightly.

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But it definitely was something that was put

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on my heart. And then all these pieces kind of fell into place.

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And when I first time I did

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it, I thought, okay, I’m trying my best to be obedient

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here. Ultimately, though, I think

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the topic hasn’t changed much from martyrdom, has

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it? Well, if

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anything, maybe it’s a little closer. I mean, persecution is one thing,

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and martyrdom is the next step. And I have done a

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lot of thinking about early christians. I don’t

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think that the christians in the first few centuries

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after Christ, I don’t think mom and dad had a

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conversation like, how can we give our kids a really great education so they

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can go get a really good job and make lots of money and be

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comfortable? I think it was a different

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conversation, like, how do we prepare them in

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case they are faced with this

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choice to deny Christ or die?

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And in those days, the whole thought was

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martyrs were blessed, that it was an

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incredible thing, a privilege to be martyred

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for your faith in Jesus Christ. I don’t think

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many of us hold that at all anymore. And I

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remember seeing a couple news articles that kind of shocked

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me into wondering, maybe we should be

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changing the way we think about persecution. And

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is that absolutely a horribly bad thing, or are

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there going to be spiritual benefits, man.

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You’ve been speaking for a long time about how

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raising christian communicators was kind of a

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life raft to conquer corrupt culture. Talk

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about that. Basically, it’s the relativism that’s

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just infected everyone so badly that there is

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no truth. There’s no way to know the truth. And that’s in the schools,

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it’s in the media, it’s in, I mean, it’s in the air that

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we breathe. We can’t not be infected by this

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relativism, which I would say is like the anti

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good news. It’s the anti gospel. And,

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you know, how do we combat that? Well, we raise up. We raise up our

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children. We raise up an army. And I have for years been

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talking about the need to help people

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get out of kind of their public school

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situation, even if they think it’s good. Every

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conversation, every interaction, every textbook or video these kids

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watch is stripped of the potential to think

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about humans as having souls, having

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sin, needing a savior, and having a gospel

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that saves us. And I

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focus on this idea that the

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end or purpose of education, like the teleos,

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the reason to educate, is the cultivation

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of appetites. And this was an idea I got from a book

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called raising them right by an eastern orthodox theologian in the 18

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hundreds who basically said the whole purpose of educating children

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or anyone, is so that they will have an

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appetite to follow Christ. Wow. And to

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follow Christ means to live a life of service, which, yeah,

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I’m okay with that, as long as you get paid. Selflessness, well,

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that’s why you get married. That’s good exercise. But

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once it comes to suffering and

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sacrifice, those are not on my menu of daily things to

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pursue. I actually noticed that I try to

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avoid sacrificial suffering or suffering of

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any sort, and how disordered my appetites are

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compared to what now, this kind of

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new ideal for educating children

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could be, or a very, very old, but newly

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rediscovered by me ideal. So I’ve been wrestling with that one for

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years, and this is kind of an extension off of that.

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So how do we really, really dig into preparing our

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children to be willing to suffer for Christ?

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It’s so funny. I just got off of an interview with Abraham

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Hamilton Iiihdeme, and I mentioned that when

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I started this podcast, I didnt intend for it to be an

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education podcast. I didnt intend for it to be a homeschooling

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podcast. We already do one of those, and we love it. Its a great

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ministry. But what weve found is that

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every aspect of life is so intrinsically tied to

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education and discipleship, that its an

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inescapable topic. And here we are again, talking about it.

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Right. Well, if you look at schools, right, they

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are the thing that has the number one most significant

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influence on the future. So the experience

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kids have when they’re kids and then they hit young adult, and then they

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start to do things like work, start businesses, vote,

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volunteer, build communities, build families.

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Everything of society, every aspect of culture

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is influenced by education. And so that’s why it’s a

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big deal, and we can’t escape that. Right.

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And we find ourselves, after generations of

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this public school machine, having control

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in a place where Americans aren’t happy.

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One of the things you write is for the past five decades, around

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one in ten Americans said they’re not happy in their day to day

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lives. Yeah. And in 2021, the numbers

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skyrocketed, with one in four Americans now saying

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they’re unhappy. And the number of

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Americans describing themselves as very happy fell

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from 31% in 2018% to

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19% in 2021. So we have a crisis

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of unhappiness. We also have a

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crisis of culture. And it’s apparent that

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across culture, every demographic is feeling

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this effect. Well, yeah, certainly young people,

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I don’t have the primary source on this, but I’ve heard, heard this

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statistic a couple different places, that the most

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unhappy group are single

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Democrat women and the most happy

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group are married republican women.

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Now, I don’t know. Where does that go? The men are somewhere in between the

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extremes. The middle aged people tend to be

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happier than the young people or the old people. And that’s understandable

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because you’re at the time where you tend to be the most fulfilled

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and productive and all that. But you’re right,

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everybody’s become less happy.

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I guess it begs the question, what

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contributes to human happiness? And

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I would argue a sense of properly

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ordered purpose. And I put that purpose in there,

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properly ordered because, yeah, you could have a purpose. My purpose is

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to make as much money as possible. That’s a

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purpose, but it won’t lead to happiness. As we see,

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most very wealthy people are much unhappier than the

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average. But what is properly ordered?

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And that would indicate that there’s a

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soul element at work. So

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people who are resistant to religion are very

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often searching for some type of

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properly ordered purpose that they can express in.

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In other words, so

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contributing into your community that doesn’t have a religious

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context or becoming a lifelong

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learner and continually growing, that doesn’t

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necessarily have a properly ordered.

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It doesn’t have an ordered purpose other than what it

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is, the order behind the purpose is kind of what I’m Athenae,

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and it’s interesting, Garrett, I’m a notch further down the road

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of life than you are. And it’s interesting for me,

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the last decade, I’ve had a lot of people I know die.

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I’ve spent a good amount of time contemplating death

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and realizing that, honestly, everything

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you do in your whole life is a preparation

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for the end of your life. Wow. That’s the biggest thing that’s

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ever. That’s the most real thing that’s ever gonna happen. And

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if you believe in an afterlife, that changes the way

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you consider your life, and if you believe in,

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you know, kind of a random. We don’t know. We can’t know.

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There’s reincarnation. You know, you know, everybody goes to

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heaven. We all get absorbed into, you know, the

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energy that is goddesse, know, that doesn’t

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really help you. But if you said, I want to

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die in the best condition, I can

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die, because that’s going to benefit my soul,

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then what does that mean? And so, yes, I want to

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learn. I want to grow. I want to be strong. I want to be healthy.

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But more than anything, I want to die as holy

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as possible. I want to die so that when I see

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God, I will be really excited and happy about

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that, rather than fearful.

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And there’s so much in the Bible that talks

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about that, that we can’t imagine

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what it’d be like to see God. But I think that

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pursuing holiness is just something that

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so few of us wake up and think about first thing in the morning, because

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we got all these other things to do, family and business

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and problems and, you know, illness. And so

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I have. I’m taking this even one step further now

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because this was two years ago, I was preparing for persecution, and now

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my mind is, like, how to get holy as fast as possible,

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starting right now. Right. Yeah. Those.

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Those precious words, well done, good and faithful

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servant are really the goal of. And it

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seems to me that even temporally, even while we are

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here and practically, we should be working to

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establish a legacy. And yet I think even that idea

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of legacy has been largely forgotten in culture. Right.

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news email I got from Barnabas aid, which is a group. I guess I’ve

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supported them in the past. They send me emails about what they do

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to support Christians in the Middle east. And I saw

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this quote from the wife of

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a pakistani pastor who was

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murdered. Right. He was just shot dead

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by whoever. I don’t know specifically. But she said the most

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amazing thing. You know, she said, I praise God, and I’m so proud

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that I am the daughter of a martyr and the wife of a martyr,

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too. Wow. And I thought, I don’t think like that. Like,

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if someone shot down my wife for her faith or killed one of my children

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or grandchildren because they were a Christian, I would have a

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really hard time getting to the. I praise God that

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that happened. My initial reaction would be anger

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and bitter and injustice and lashing out and

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retribution and stop it. It has to

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stop. And yet these people have lived in this

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world of persecution, and their

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attitude is so much different. And I thought, well, just

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that quote from that wife of that martyr,

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that’s a legacy right there. I mean, just that one sentence is a

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legacy. Yeah. I don’t want this show to

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be the COVID summary show, right.

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The four year retrospective of COVID But it

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seems that Covid played a really important role in

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America in waking up the church and waking up

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people to understand that that same kind of persecution

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can come here. As I was reading through your

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talk, uh, one of the things that struck me was you brought out

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how there was a movement among

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basically Democrats to punish those who didn’t

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comply. Right. We had 48% of

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Democrat voters thought that federal and state governments

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should fine or imprison individuals who publicly

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questioned the efficacy of existing

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Covid-19 vaccinations, which now

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I think pretty wild, widely are being accepted as having

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some harmful effects. Right. You’d have to be

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blind. And yet, at the time, dems were saying, put them in jail,

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fine them. Right. 40% or, I’m sorry,

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47% of Democrats at the time

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favored government tracking for those who didn’t get the

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vaccine. And we saw digital id implemented in

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places like New York, where you couldn’t go to clubs or grocery stores without

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your id. 29% of Democrat

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voters would have, uh, supported

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temporarily removing parents custody of their

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children for refusing to take the vaccine. Well, and, you

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know, the excuse there is public health, but that,

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you know, the mentality is what’s concerning. The

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mentality that government is right, always right, and should have the

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power to enforce anything based on,

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you know, what. What their agenda is. And that could very

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easily go into. Well, if you oppose the

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LGBTQIA agenda, if

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you oppose the new tax program, that comes. If you

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oppose the new restrictions on travel, because

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we’re, you know, you know, killing the earth with

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carbon, and that’s a whole thing I really don’t want to get into. But you

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can, you know, you can see that this, this support

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for government control over people could

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be manipulated into any issue,

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you know, and it always starts with public health. I don’t know if you knew

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this, Garrett, but the Nazis began to restrict the Jews

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because of public health concerns that they

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pushed out through their propaganda network.

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And that was the beginning of the

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persecution of the Jews in Germany. Wow. So

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I think need to be very, very suspicious. And then we can also look and

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see what other countries are doing, what the global government efforts are

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doing. Some of the new agreements that countries have signed

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on to in terms of treaties based on government

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power in times of emergency. Well, who’s

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going to decide if it’s an emergency? The government that gets the power,

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right? I don’t know where we’re headed, but I

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do know that there was kind of a confluence of circumstances where you

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thought, okay, they’re spying on everybody, very successfully through

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technology, currency, tracking, the

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big corporations and their massive data. It looks

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a lot like the soviet era, only era,

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only a thousand times more powerful.

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The indoctrination of children. That is happening very,

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very clearly, in some places, worse than others.

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But if it’s not the schools, it’s the social media

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that the kids are sharing and passing around.

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And then you kind of look at, you know, the fictional worlds of

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brave new world and the licentiousness and the idea that

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marriage is an antiquated idea. Children

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can be created scientifically, they should be

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raised. And everyone would be happier if we wiped out the nuclear

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family. Well, I mean, we see people who actually

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believe and think and talk that way in our world

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today, and it’s all such a

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phenomenal mishmash of lies

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which have to be confronted, or else

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they overtake people’s consciousness. Yeah,

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it always shocks me. Every. I don’t know, every five or

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ten years, I’ll open up 1984 again. And

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it always shocks me how prophetic that book

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was. And it shouldn’t have been a playbook,

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folks. But we did not understand that

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government and the state isn’t sovereign over everything. There are

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spheres of government, and one of those is the

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family. Right? They’re not sovereign over our family.

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They’re not sovereign over the church. They have some sovereignty

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over the state. But when we don’t understand those

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fundamental elements of sovereignty, we’re very quick to just

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bow down and give in. I want to get into what this looks like

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today a little bit after the break. But first,

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men, I hope you’re enjoying this conversation with Andrew.

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He’s such a blessing to me, and I’m so thankful to have him on

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today. I want to ask a favor of you. As you

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Also, take a minute. This is our first season,

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So I’d like to ask you to drop by CTCmath.com and just

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such a blessing to us. Well, let’s get back to our conversation with

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Andrew. Well, Andrew, we, we know where we are, so

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how should we be preparing ourselves to move forward? One

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thing I think that is important is to understand

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the foundation of the lies that we have

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all bought into. And it’s not new. It didn’t start in

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2020. It didn’t start in 2000. It didn’t even start in

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1900s. The

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actual undermining of the Judeo-Christian

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foundation of western civilization began really

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way back in the 1800s. And you had a

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confluence of factors. One is you had the

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romanticism idea. And the poets of the

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time, Wordsworth, Shelley, they

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and some of the writers, you had Rousseau

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writing about this dissatisfaction

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with judeo christian moral traditions that

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somehow humanity just couldn’t be happy, humans

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could not be happy with, particularly in

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regards to the sexual norms like this

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monogamous marriage, family

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unit, loyalty to the

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spouse, that all of that was just not going to

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allow for the free exploration

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and expression of human sexuality.

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And it really began there. And of

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course, in the literary and academic sense,

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it’s kind of hidden, but it gradually trinkled down. We have

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also the problem with the whole onset

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of darwinism. So Darwinism

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really was the greatest philosophical

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change. You could talk about the scientific implications. But

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it was a philosophical change, because as soon as you

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shifted from humans being a special creation with an immortal

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soul, to humans are a highly

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evolved animal, and in the process of evolving and

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a survival of the fittest kind of attitude, then

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the nature of the person was

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undermined and everything became

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much more utilitarian. So philosophy, the utilitarian

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philosophies, you had the enlightenment and

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philosophy, like, we are going to somehow now take over our

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own evolution and make ourselves better and become

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enlightened through our own power, and we don’t need God anymore.

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And Nietzsche, God is dead. We don’t need God.

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Well, you know what happens when you do

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that. Then Freud came in and it

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reinforced in a pseudo scientific way this idea

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that all human behavior is motivated by sex from a

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young age. And that’s the most important thing that anyone can think

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about, is sexual fulfillment and sexual problems. And

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like, resolving all of psychological

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problems and dissatisfaction around sex and people

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subtly started to buy into that. And then we had

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Marxism, which was class warfare. And the idea

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that, well, no, the reason everybody is unhappy is because there’s people

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who oppress other people. And if we could just get rid of the oppressors,

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then we can achieve true human happiness. So let’s

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overthrow the ruling class, rise up the proletariat.

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Everything is equal. And because if we could get rid of that,

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all human beings who are fundamentally good will get along

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and will live in paradise. Of course, that worked

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brilliantly in Russia, China,

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Cuba, every country where they tried to. True economic

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Marxism just multiplied the misery of people.

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And then what we see in this, the 21st century, is

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essentially the marriage of Marx and Freud. Because economic

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Marxism isn’t going to convince too

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many people. That’s the way to go now. We have to have

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class oppression based on sexuality, sexual

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orientation, sexual preferences. And that’s

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kind of what we see. The angriest people around right now

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are the ones who scream out, homophobe, transphobe,

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and we can’t have you exist in our society, or

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else you will destroy the happiness and freedom of all people. So

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these lies are just deeply embedded. One of the books I

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recommend, I would recommend it to every one of your listeners. I think it’s

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probably the best of

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how we got to where we are and to know that and be able to

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teach your children so they can see through the lies

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that are continuously coming at them, whether

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they’re in school or whether they’re reading books they get from the

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library, whether they’re reading social media, whether

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they’re talking with people they know, you know, at church

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or on the playground. I would recommend

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we all try to inoculate ourselves. And the best book I know

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is called the rise and triumph of the modern self by Carl Truman.

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Maybe you can put that if you have show notes, because I think

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this book is very, very well organized, and

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it helps arm us against the

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liars and their lies. Yeah, we’ll add that to the show

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notes. It’s funny. Over and over you were talking about

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happiness. I think we have an innate wiring

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to seek happiness and seek comfort. And what

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strikes me is that as we follow Nietzsche and

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Freud and Marx, the clear

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00:29:34,200 –> 00:29:37,896
result has been a decrease in happiness. Even this

482
00:29:37,968 –> 00:29:41,768
base indicator of success for these worldviews

483
00:29:41,904 –> 00:29:44,660
fails so miserably. And yet

484
00:29:45,420 –> 00:29:48,556
the communist manifesto was written

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150 years ago. Darwin’s book, the Origin

486
00:29:52,468 –> 00:29:56,080
of Species, was written 150 years ago.

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For 150 years, we’ve been on this slow

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march toward the ideals of these men,

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and it continually fails. And yet we look at it and go, well,

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we’ve just not done it right yet. Right. We believe

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lies. And you talk about

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three great untruths. Get into those. Yeah. So

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the other book I recommend for every parent who’s got

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a kid that could possibly go to college or even

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00:30:25,162 –> 00:30:29,002
not, but specifically, this

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is by Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt, who are not christians, by

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the way. I find this very interesting, but they wrote a book called the

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coddling of the american mind, wherein they identify

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three great untruths that are taught either

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explicitly or implicitly or both, on

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every college campus, even christian schools, if

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00:30:52,148 –> 00:30:55,828
the professors aren’t, aren’t putting this stuff out, the kids

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00:30:55,884 –> 00:30:59,156
themselves, particularly the ones who got indoctrinated in public

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00:30:59,228 –> 00:31:02,800
schools, this is what they believe. So young people today

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00:31:03,100 –> 00:31:06,772
are extremely vulnerable to these three great untruths. The first

506
00:31:06,836 –> 00:31:10,542
is the untruth of fragility. Like, if it

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doesn’t kill you, it’s going to make you so much weaker. So if anyone says

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00:31:14,478 –> 00:31:18,254
anything that could possibly offend you, you will be hurt

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00:31:18,302 –> 00:31:22,014
by that. And therefore, their speech has to be eliminated,

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00:31:22,062 –> 00:31:25,862
canceled, regulated. You have to be protected from

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00:31:25,926 –> 00:31:29,214
someone disagreeing with you and your

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00:31:29,342 –> 00:31:32,894
social, economic, political, emotional position

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on something. And this is the exact

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opposite of what almost everyone

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00:31:40,400 –> 00:31:44,168
from the beginning of history until the last 150

516
00:31:44,264 –> 00:31:47,696
years has believed, that actually iron

517
00:31:47,728 –> 00:31:51,448
sharpens iron. When people challenge each other, when

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00:31:51,464 –> 00:31:55,296
they engage in meaningful debate, that’s what actually helps

519
00:31:55,328 –> 00:31:59,096
us clarify our thinking and helps us reach

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a truer position. But if we’re not willing to entertain

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the opposing view, then we’re simply

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not going to grow. We’re not going to have a chance to correct our

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00:32:10,448 –> 00:32:14,232
error. And I think, in part, it’s based on the idea that, well, I

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00:32:14,256 –> 00:32:17,640
can’t possibly be wrong. Where does that lead

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00:32:17,680 –> 00:32:21,088
to? I mean, it’s just the worst possible kind of hubris.

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So we see that on this, people

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00:32:24,960 –> 00:32:28,550
like turning point. They come on a college campus, a few people get really

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00:32:28,590 –> 00:32:32,046
loud. This is hate speech. And then they have to cancel it

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off, because if they speak to anyone on our campus,

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we’re going to suffer. So that’s the first one.

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The untruth of fragility. I am triggered. I thought

532
00:32:43,470 –> 00:32:47,238
this show was a safe space, and I’m going to need

533
00:32:47,254 –> 00:32:50,974
to go into my corner and deal with my emotional damage

534
00:32:51,022 –> 00:32:54,450
now. Yeah. The second great untruth is

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trust your feelings, the truth of

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00:32:58,660 –> 00:33:02,332
emotional reasoning. Like, you know best. Trust

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00:33:02,396 –> 00:33:05,600
your heart. Trust what you believe

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00:33:07,300 –> 00:33:10,940
and feel. And that’s bad advice for any

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00:33:11,020 –> 00:33:14,708
young person, especially an adolescent or young adult

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00:33:14,804 –> 00:33:18,548
who’s still in a whirlwind of emotional, you

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00:33:18,564 –> 00:33:22,192
know, you know, hormone disruption, life

542
00:33:22,256 –> 00:33:25,752
disruption. What did the ancients say? What did the

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00:33:25,776 –> 00:33:29,128
christians say? Well, use reason

544
00:33:29,304 –> 00:33:32,952
to discern the truth. Make your judgments based

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00:33:33,016 –> 00:33:36,720
on the information you have and your

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00:33:36,760 –> 00:33:40,184
ability to use logic and reason, not how you

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00:33:40,232 –> 00:33:43,656
feel about something. Because if you make a decision when you’re happy or

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00:33:43,688 –> 00:33:47,512
sad or anxious or ecstatic

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00:33:47,696 –> 00:33:51,336
or depressed or exhausted or hangry or

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00:33:51,368 –> 00:33:54,968
whatever, you’re not going to make good decisions. Right?

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00:33:55,104 –> 00:33:58,776
The Bible says the. The heart is deceptive, the heart

552
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is wicked. Who can know it? Uh, the Bible

553
00:34:02,416 –> 00:34:05,968
specifically says your feelings can’t be trusted

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00:34:06,104 –> 00:34:09,808
because your heart is easily led astray. All

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00:34:09,824 –> 00:34:13,496
right, what’s the last untruth? Yeah, the last one, I think, is maybe

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the most dangerous. And this is the one we see outplayed, played in every

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totalitarian society. And that is

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the untruth of us versus them, that everyone is

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either good or bad. And the way this

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00:34:27,804 –> 00:34:31,644
manifests is, I think you align with a certain

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group of people, and they say, we are right about

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this thing, therefore we are good, therefore, we must

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00:34:39,220 –> 00:34:42,516
be right about everything. Therefore, anyone who

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00:34:42,548 –> 00:34:46,214
disagrees with us must be wrong. And if they’re

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00:34:46,262 –> 00:34:49,770
wrong, they must be bad. And if they’re bad, they’re wrong about everything.

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So everyone is either right about whatever, everything they

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00:34:53,646 –> 00:34:57,438
believe, or wrong about everything they believe. And that’s how you

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00:34:57,454 –> 00:35:01,078
get people making these huge generalizations. Like,

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all Trump supporters are bigoted,

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racist, you know, you know,

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00:35:08,166 –> 00:35:11,782
christians, right? And so if you’re a Christian, you must be,

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00:35:11,806 –> 00:35:14,730
therefore, a bigoted, racist Trump supporter.

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00:35:15,430 –> 00:35:18,370
You get these huge, huge, broad

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00:35:19,350 –> 00:35:22,878
mischaracterizations. Well, what’s the actual

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00:35:22,974 –> 00:35:26,622
truth that counters this lie? We have to be

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studying and praying and working

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00:35:30,550 –> 00:35:33,930
to discern the difference in our own hearts,

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hopefully by using the word of God, by using our God

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given faculty of reason, and then

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also being compassionate and an

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understanding of other people. And we think about, I mean,

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00:35:49,564 –> 00:35:53,356
things that we change our opinion on over time. We were

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00:35:53,388 –> 00:35:57,068
so sure of one thing, and then, you know, we gained

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00:35:57,124 –> 00:36:00,780
more experience or information or spiritual growth, and then we

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00:36:00,820 –> 00:36:04,420
changed our opinion. So I think the problem

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we see is this tribalism that’s happening,

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and people aren’t having dialogue to work through

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00:36:11,668 –> 00:36:15,036
any of the details of the belief systems or political

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00:36:15,148 –> 00:36:18,708
ideas. Instead, it’s all, if you believe that, you’re a bad

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00:36:18,764 –> 00:36:22,612
person, and then you go marxist and say, the only way we can be

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happy is get rid of all the bad people. Right. Well, if we got rid

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of all the bad people, there’d be nobody left. Yeah. The

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00:36:29,892 –> 00:36:33,114
core of that ideology is this dialectic,

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and without a revolution, without class

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00:36:36,470 –> 00:36:39,950
warfare, we can’t bring about our ultimate utopia.

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Now, I want to clarify a little bit, though. You’re not

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saying there isn’t truth and there isn’t right and

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wrong. Oh, no, not at all. What I’m saying

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is that if we classify people as

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being right about everything or wrong

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00:36:58,670 –> 00:37:02,276
about everything, then we are classifying them as

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being all good or all evil. And then our natural

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00:37:06,172 –> 00:37:09,492
inclination is to say, well, if we could just get rid of those

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00:37:09,556 –> 00:37:12,680
people, then everything would be fine.

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And so we have to be constantly

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discerning. And I think it takes humility. And where

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00:37:20,676 –> 00:37:24,372
do we gain humility? What is

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00:37:24,396 –> 00:37:28,172
the example of Jesus? The only person

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who was right about everything was also the most

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humble person, the most forgiving person, the

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most loving person

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that ever lived, then we

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00:37:43,844 –> 00:37:47,532
killed him. We killed him because we couldn’t handle

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that level of goodness,

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because the evil hates the good. Right? Even

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as he was on the cross being killed, he said, father, forgive

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00:37:58,258 –> 00:38:01,930
them, for they know not what they do. You know, and I listened to recently,

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Garrett, a video of some woman who was basically

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arguing that raising children as

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christians is indoctrination. It

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is depriving them of agency and freedom. It’s a form of

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child abuse and should be stopped.

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00:38:20,436 –> 00:38:24,052
Wow. And, you know, her position

624
00:38:24,156 –> 00:38:27,400
obviously came out of a bad childhood where she was

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probably hurt by an individual or a group of

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individuals. And so she puts all of

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that pain on Christianity.

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And, you know, so I can have compassion for someone who

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suffered evil at the hands of a humanity

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in error. But here’s the thing. She’s trying to give

631
00:38:50,590 –> 00:38:53,254
herself self therapy by

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attacking and flailing out against

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the whole of Christianity and the whole of faith

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as being evil in anger. She was so angry.

635
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And I was thinking the greatest injustice

636
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that ever occurred was the crucifixion of the perfect Mandy.

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And yet, what was the response? It wasn’t anger. It

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00:39:16,504 –> 00:39:20,280
was forgiveness. And I was thinking of this woman, and if

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she could forgive those people that hurt her,

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she would no longer have the need to be angry. And

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then that anger would not drive this very

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00:39:31,560 –> 00:39:33,940
detrimental and harmful type of

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ideation that she’s pushing out on. On the Internet.

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And I just wonder, you know, how many people don’t

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understand the only way to healing is through forgiveness. It’s

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the only possible way you can achieve peace. Yeah,

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00:39:49,540 –> 00:39:53,100
I mentioned earlier that your

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00:39:53,140 –> 00:39:56,844
talk, which is titled preparing for persecution, has a

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00:39:56,892 –> 00:40:00,280
subtitle, a curriculum proposal. Right.

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00:40:00,820 –> 00:40:03,860
Talk about that. First of all, what is a

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curriculum, and how do you propose to address

652
00:40:07,590 –> 00:40:11,342
this through a curriculum? Well, the word curriculum comes

653
00:40:11,446 –> 00:40:15,046
from the Latin for racetrack,

654
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right? So kuro means run and a place. You run a racetrack.

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So, you know, there’s a couple kinds of racetracks. The ones that go round

656
00:40:22,718 –> 00:40:25,942
and round and round and round and keep you in the same place, or ones

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that take you from somewhere to somewhere else.

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But I. What. What is, where

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do. Where are you and where do you want to go if. If your argument

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is you want to be prepared for a worst case

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00:40:40,332 –> 00:40:44,156
scenario and be strong, uh, to deal with that,

662
00:40:44,188 –> 00:40:47,996
well, what kind of strength are you talking about, and how do you develop

663
00:40:48,068 –> 00:40:51,908
that? And so, uh, you know, I talked a

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little bit about how I think what we need is both

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physical, mental, and spiritual strength,

666
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and that those are actually connected. You know, I

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00:41:02,596 –> 00:41:06,292
find it very interesting that in the fitness world, you find a lot

668
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of people who are really trying to pursue

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physical strength through eating right and sleeping

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00:41:14,380 –> 00:41:17,900
well and exercise, and those types

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of physical disciplines, also trying

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to pursue intellectual and spiritual health as

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well. A lot of them are kind of going in various

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directions, I might say is not the most effective,

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but there is a condition. And

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a lot of christians throughout pretty much all of history have

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realized that when you kind of tame the

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appetites of the body and

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00:41:46,806 –> 00:41:50,490
discipline the body, it carries over into the discipline

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of the heart. And I’ve really experienced this very much myself

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00:41:54,274 –> 00:41:57,550
in the last few years. Is this connection between

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living a little bit more rigorous life

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physically and being able to then live a little bit more

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rigorous in terms of a prayer life, in terms of a being

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in the word life, in terms of a committing valuable things to

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memory and maintaining that, you know, on a daily basis, you know,

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the muscles of the body are muscles, but we also have the

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muscles of the mind and the muscles of the spirit, and we wrestle

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with that in the same way. And so, you know, I did

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talk a little bit about how I have found it very

691
00:42:32,652 –> 00:42:36,164
valuable to kind of intentionally place myself

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in uncomfortable situations. Extreme hot,

693
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in a sauna, extreme cold. And I, you know, the cold shower, the cold

694
00:42:43,810 –> 00:42:47,350
plunge or fasting has been a big thing for me,

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00:42:48,610 –> 00:42:52,270
pushing myself physically. And that just carried over

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into a lot more capacity to

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be organized and diligent in

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00:42:59,978 –> 00:43:03,310
prayers and study and Bible reading and

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cutting out time. I think that’s our biggest problem for all of

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us, Garrett, is the demands on our time are so huge.

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And I’ve reminded there’s

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a catholic saint who said, if I’m

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busy, I pray 2 hours a day. And if I’m

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very busy, I pray 4 hours a day.

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If you want to get more stuff done, get your priorities right.

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And I think that’s something that is so hard for us in our modern

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world today. So, you know, that’s kind of

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where I was starting on this. And then

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I saw a poster. It was online, and it just.

710
00:43:46,870 –> 00:43:50,662
It kind of really got under my skin. It

711
00:43:50,686 –> 00:43:54,270
was a poster of. It was a picture of a poster in a high

712
00:43:54,310 –> 00:43:57,990
school in Wisconsin, and it had, like, bears

713
00:43:58,070 –> 00:44:01,534
and rainbow flags. And the. The

714
00:44:01,582 –> 00:44:05,310
poster said, if your parents aren’t accepting

715
00:44:05,350 –> 00:44:07,090
of your identity,

716
00:44:08,870 –> 00:44:12,330
I’m your mom now. And then rainbow colors.

717
00:44:12,830 –> 00:44:16,606
Hashtag freemomhugs.org. obviously, the

718
00:44:16,638 –> 00:44:20,210
thing that struck me was this use of the word identity.

719
00:44:20,590 –> 00:44:22,530
And I started to think about,

720
00:44:24,110 –> 00:44:27,262
let’s say, worst case scenario. Let’s say what happened in

721
00:44:27,326 –> 00:44:30,936
Cuba happened here. Political opponents, religious

722
00:44:30,968 –> 00:44:34,624
dissenters, anyone who wouldn’t follow the Cuban

723
00:44:34,672 –> 00:44:38,392
Communist Party, swear loyalty to Castro, you

724
00:44:38,416 –> 00:44:41,904
know, could be just put in prison for any reason, stripped of everything.

725
00:44:42,072 –> 00:44:45,904
If you had nothing, if you had no home, no car, no bank

726
00:44:45,952 –> 00:44:49,728
account, no clothes, except was on your body, cut off from all

727
00:44:49,744 –> 00:44:53,296
of your friends, no phone, right? Like, if you had

728
00:44:53,368 –> 00:44:56,794
nothing, no Bible, nothing, what would you have

729
00:44:56,842 –> 00:45:00,674
left? And that’s what I would want

730
00:45:00,762 –> 00:45:04,418
to strengthen. You’d have your identity.

731
00:45:04,554 –> 00:45:08,010
Who are you? And so I realized with that

732
00:45:08,050 –> 00:45:11,754
poster, if we don’t teach our children to define

733
00:45:11,842 –> 00:45:15,270
themselves, to know their identity,

734
00:45:15,810 –> 00:45:16,550
then

735
00:45:19,570 –> 00:45:23,398
the world will identify them for you. And the first place they’re going

736
00:45:23,414 –> 00:45:26,670
to start is in the most inappropriate and disordered

737
00:45:26,710 –> 00:45:30,174
way, which right now is your sexuality that

738
00:45:30,222 –> 00:45:33,950
defines who you are. So I got in this idea

739
00:45:33,990 –> 00:45:37,326
of, okay, how do we actually know

740
00:45:37,518 –> 00:45:40,958
who we are and what can we do to

741
00:45:41,054 –> 00:45:44,702
strengthen that so that when it’s threatened and we’re stripped

742
00:45:44,726 –> 00:45:48,420
of all of our comforts and conveniences, and I, even things we

743
00:45:48,460 –> 00:45:52,308
need, like good food and the word of God in our hand, what

744
00:45:52,324 –> 00:45:55,668
have we got left? That’s my curriculum proposal.

745
00:45:55,804 –> 00:45:59,100
Nice. Okay, so let’s.

746
00:45:59,180 –> 00:46:02,876
Let’s quickly look at once we understand our

747
00:46:02,908 –> 00:46:06,092
identity. And if you want, you can go into how we understand our

748
00:46:06,156 –> 00:46:09,868
identity, what follows. Yeah.

749
00:46:09,924 –> 00:46:13,360
So I was looking at identity

750
00:46:14,150 –> 00:46:17,010
as being the result of relationship.

751
00:46:18,470 –> 00:46:21,974
Who are we? And then we would say, in what

752
00:46:22,022 –> 00:46:25,654
relationship? And we start at the top. So what’s the

753
00:46:25,702 –> 00:46:29,254
most important thing about you? Right. My

754
00:46:29,302 –> 00:46:33,022
relationship to my creator. Right. And so if

755
00:46:33,046 –> 00:46:36,810
you have a creator, that is the most important thing

756
00:46:37,230 –> 00:46:40,866
about you that can possibly exist. And

757
00:46:40,898 –> 00:46:44,650
that’s at the very top and highest level. This is why I believe

758
00:46:44,770 –> 00:46:48,450
that Darwinism and the resulting agnostic

759
00:46:48,530 –> 00:46:49,670
atheistic

760
00:46:52,210 –> 00:46:55,642
view, even of moral people, moral atheism

761
00:46:55,746 –> 00:46:58,110
or therapeutic deistic

762
00:46:59,970 –> 00:47:03,786
atheism, this idea, it strips people of an

763
00:47:03,818 –> 00:47:07,622
identity. I am a creation, there’s a creator. And

764
00:47:07,646 –> 00:47:11,486
if that’s true, what’s my relationship next? We

765
00:47:11,518 –> 00:47:15,358
have. I am a follower of Christ. So not only do

766
00:47:15,374 –> 00:47:18,810
I believe there’s a creator, but the creator had

767
00:47:19,270 –> 00:47:22,814
an incarnation as a human

768
00:47:22,902 –> 00:47:26,550
being so that we could have a personal relationship with

769
00:47:26,590 –> 00:47:30,278
God in the most meaningful way possible. So I’m a follower

770
00:47:30,294 –> 00:47:34,016
of Christ. Well, okay, then. Then what? Well, I’m a

771
00:47:34,048 –> 00:47:37,672
member of a church. That’s the church of Jesus Christ, and

772
00:47:37,816 –> 00:47:41,592
that contains with it certain identity

773
00:47:41,696 –> 00:47:45,272
elements that are more important to me than everything that

774
00:47:45,296 –> 00:47:49,128
follows. Then I would probably put, next up, I’m a spouse. I’m a

775
00:47:49,144 –> 00:47:52,700
husband, right? That’s how I would define myself in the world.

776
00:47:53,120 –> 00:47:56,512
And then I would say, well, I’m a father, I’m a grandfather.

777
00:47:56,696 –> 00:48:00,416
I might go down the list and talk about how I’m a citizen

778
00:48:00,448 –> 00:48:04,192
of a country. I might even get down to my job. Like, I’m

779
00:48:04,216 –> 00:48:07,780
a teacher, I’m a leader in my little organization.

780
00:48:08,400 –> 00:48:11,700
And I’d probably get pretty far down,

781
00:48:13,320 –> 00:48:16,760
but I would never get down to the point I’m a

782
00:48:16,840 –> 00:48:19,860
white, middle class, cisgendered,

783
00:48:20,840 –> 00:48:24,472
straight male. I mean, that just wouldn’t

784
00:48:24,536 –> 00:48:28,120
be part of my self perception. And yet a lot of people,

785
00:48:28,240 –> 00:48:32,064
that’s the first thing they would say about me. Right? So that’s why I think

786
00:48:32,192 –> 00:48:35,896
helping children work through identity and the way we

787
00:48:35,928 –> 00:48:39,592
do that, I would argue, is by the code, the rules we

788
00:48:39,616 –> 00:48:43,144
follow and the creed, that what we. What we do

789
00:48:43,272 –> 00:48:46,500
and what we believe, the agenda and the Creedenda.

790
00:48:47,320 –> 00:48:51,152
So the code, you think about it. Well, how do we know what

791
00:48:51,256 –> 00:48:54,896
to believe in terms of being a created person?

792
00:48:54,968 –> 00:48:58,728
Well, we have, you know, the ten Commandments in the books of the law.

793
00:48:58,904 –> 00:49:02,688
That is the divine revelation. And we have more truth in that than any

794
00:49:02,744 –> 00:49:06,528
other religion has in their religions. All religions can have some truth. I

795
00:49:06,544 –> 00:49:10,224
don’t deny that. But we’ve got way more

796
00:49:10,352 –> 00:49:13,952
of truth, and that’s important to take into our heart.

797
00:49:14,016 –> 00:49:17,696
And we know if you follow the laws, you are

798
00:49:17,728 –> 00:49:21,216
a happier person. It’s black and white, and it always has been that

799
00:49:21,248 –> 00:49:24,786
way. Then if you’re a follower of Christ and a church member, you’ve

800
00:49:24,818 –> 00:49:28,470
got the commands of Christ and the presets of your church.

801
00:49:28,930 –> 00:49:32,762
If you get married, you take wedding vows, you basically

802
00:49:32,866 –> 00:49:36,618
bind yourself to each other by rules. I will do this and this

803
00:49:36,634 –> 00:49:39,066
and this, and I will not do this and this and this, and it goes

804
00:49:39,098 –> 00:49:42,938
down from there. Even look at the Constitution

805
00:49:42,994 –> 00:49:46,482
of the United States that defines what a United States citizen

806
00:49:46,546 –> 00:49:49,636
is. That’s code. And then we have the

807
00:49:49,668 –> 00:49:53,356
creed, knowing what we believe, and these are things that

808
00:49:53,388 –> 00:49:56,692
we can affirm again and again and

809
00:49:56,716 –> 00:50:00,172
again, which would be everything from, say, the

810
00:50:00,196 –> 00:50:04,044
traditional christian creeds, the apostles creed, the nicene creed, all the way down

811
00:50:04,092 –> 00:50:07,236
to the pledge of allegiance or the Boy Scout

812
00:50:07,428 –> 00:50:11,260
Creed. Here’s who I am, what I believe. So

813
00:50:11,380 –> 00:50:15,056
how do we inculcate these literally, but then we

814
00:50:15,088 –> 00:50:18,420
also do it subtly in other ways.

815
00:50:19,520 –> 00:50:23,368
So we have these creeds and codes. I’m

816
00:50:23,384 –> 00:50:27,056
going to jump back real quick, because I’m stuck with. I’m struck by something.

817
00:50:27,168 –> 00:50:31,008
Okay. As you were talking about identity, one of

818
00:50:31,024 –> 00:50:34,872
the things that struck me really hard is that earlier we were

819
00:50:34,896 –> 00:50:38,360
talking about Marxism and freudianism and how it

820
00:50:38,400 –> 00:50:41,858
debases, Mandy to this. This

821
00:50:41,994 –> 00:50:45,234
basic framework of sexuality

822
00:50:45,402 –> 00:50:49,154
and disorder and disunity. And as you

823
00:50:49,162 –> 00:50:52,626
were talking about identity, I realized that our education

824
00:50:52,778 –> 00:50:56,030
system has even debased anthropology.

825
00:50:57,130 –> 00:51:00,746
When we consider man, we don’t consider

826
00:51:00,818 –> 00:51:04,058
the whole man. And when you look at the academic subject of

827
00:51:04,194 –> 00:51:07,924
anthropology, most people would say, well, that’s the study of old,

828
00:51:07,972 –> 00:51:11,340
dead people in their bones, right? And yet

829
00:51:11,500 –> 00:51:14,836
what anthropology is is a holistic view of

830
00:51:14,908 –> 00:51:18,284
man, his place in the world, his

831
00:51:18,332 –> 00:51:21,660
relationship with his creator, his relationship with his

832
00:51:21,700 –> 00:51:25,028
savior. And I just find it. I find

833
00:51:25,084 –> 00:51:28,876
it very sad. That we’ve lost this

834
00:51:28,948 –> 00:51:32,348
higher level understanding of even who man

835
00:51:32,444 –> 00:51:36,026
is. So I think I want to ask you

836
00:51:36,058 –> 00:51:39,834
this as we kind of wrap up. We now understand

837
00:51:39,962 –> 00:51:43,770
who we are. We understand that because of that,

838
00:51:43,810 –> 00:51:47,554
we must live by codes and creeds. How do we

839
00:51:47,602 –> 00:51:51,298
solidify these things in our minds and our hearts? Well, I

840
00:51:51,314 –> 00:51:54,990
would say it’s culture. It’s environment and culture.

841
00:51:55,810 –> 00:51:59,522
Almost all of education isn’t the curriculum

842
00:51:59,586 –> 00:52:03,402
of what books you buy and what kind

843
00:52:03,426 –> 00:52:05,990
of workbooks your kids do and read.

844
00:52:07,650 –> 00:52:11,250
It’s really more, what experience are we

845
00:52:11,290 –> 00:52:14,110
having on a day to day basis,

846
00:52:14,890 –> 00:52:18,130
and particularly for children? And this is more true the younger they

847
00:52:18,170 –> 00:52:22,002
are. It’s the rituals, the liturgy of

848
00:52:22,026 –> 00:52:25,874
the home. It gets down to very, very

849
00:52:25,922 –> 00:52:29,374
simple things. Do you pray before meals? Do you

850
00:52:29,502 –> 00:52:32,966
have a family prayer time? Do

851
00:52:32,998 –> 00:52:36,570
you read the word of God and talk about it together

852
00:52:37,110 –> 00:52:40,342
in terms and then try to connect it with

853
00:52:40,486 –> 00:52:44,294
experiences in daily life? And that’s a

854
00:52:44,342 –> 00:52:48,102
cultural thing. If you want to say the curriculum, okay, there’s the

855
00:52:48,126 –> 00:52:51,966
Bible. But even people who are stripped of bibles

856
00:52:52,118 –> 00:52:55,632
had enough knowledge of things in the

857
00:52:55,656 –> 00:52:58,760
Bible that they could do that. They could contemplate

858
00:52:58,840 –> 00:53:02,016
biblical truth, eternal truth.

859
00:53:02,168 –> 00:53:05,568
And that’s why I believe it’s so

860
00:53:05,624 –> 00:53:09,060
important that children learn songs,

861
00:53:09,600 –> 00:53:13,144
memorize some prayers, memorize as much scripture

862
00:53:13,232 –> 00:53:17,060
as they can, know their Bible stories.

863
00:53:18,280 –> 00:53:21,760
I’ve been mentally drafting a response to this woman on the TikTok

864
00:53:21,800 –> 00:53:25,368
video because she thinks Christianity is child

865
00:53:25,424 –> 00:53:28,912
abuse. And I’m thinking, to fail

866
00:53:29,056 –> 00:53:32,872
to give children a foundation of belief, even if

867
00:53:32,896 –> 00:53:36,220
it’s not perfect, amen. That’s child abuse.

868
00:53:36,840 –> 00:53:40,504
They need to have a way of understanding

869
00:53:40,552 –> 00:53:44,184
the world and their place in it, even if it’s not

870
00:53:44,232 –> 00:53:47,744
100% correct. It’s better than

871
00:53:47,792 –> 00:53:51,088
nothing. And we do that with the story. The best thing for a child is

872
00:53:51,104 –> 00:53:54,124
to go to church, say grace with mom,

873
00:53:54,292 –> 00:53:57,764
say a simple prayer at night, and read

874
00:53:57,812 –> 00:54:01,228
Bible stories, because then they’ve got something to hold

875
00:54:01,284 –> 00:54:04,988
onto that is based in revealed

876
00:54:05,084 –> 00:54:08,636
truth, in God’s divine truth.

877
00:54:08,748 –> 00:54:12,524
And when you deprive children of all that, what do they

878
00:54:12,572 –> 00:54:16,332
have but the confusion of the world around?

879
00:54:16,516 –> 00:54:20,260
So one of the things that I was trying to do was to say

880
00:54:20,300 –> 00:54:24,100
to all the parents listening to this talk, please think about what

881
00:54:24,140 –> 00:54:27,124
songs are you singing, what poems are you

882
00:54:27,172 –> 00:54:30,548
memorizing, what scriptures are going to

883
00:54:30,604 –> 00:54:34,252
be available, kind of on the tip of your mind, the tip of

884
00:54:34,276 –> 00:54:37,940
your tongue, the tip of your heart. What

885
00:54:38,020 –> 00:54:41,644
Bible stories? What great stories, both

886
00:54:41,732 –> 00:54:45,548
historical stories of martyrs and saints and great christians throughout all

887
00:54:45,564 –> 00:54:49,412
of history. And what are the great Bible stories

888
00:54:49,476 –> 00:54:52,520
and the miracles of Jesus, the sayings of Jesus.

889
00:54:54,900 –> 00:54:58,380
If I were stuck in a prison with nobody and nothing to

890
00:54:58,420 –> 00:55:02,076
sustain my soul, I would rely only on my memory and

891
00:55:02,108 –> 00:55:05,920
imagination. How is memory and imagination

892
00:55:06,220 –> 00:55:10,012
furnished? And that was the point that I was trying to give

893
00:55:10,076 –> 00:55:13,820
to the listeners of this talk and that I would leave your listeners

894
00:55:13,860 –> 00:55:17,612
with now, especially the fact that dads are heads of

895
00:55:17,636 –> 00:55:21,388
families and it’s too easy, and I think

896
00:55:21,444 –> 00:55:25,292
every one of us is guilty. Well, I’ll say I

897
00:55:25,316 –> 00:55:28,868
think I, and I know other dads who have

898
00:55:28,964 –> 00:55:32,516
kind of defaulted to mom, especially in the homeschooling world.

899
00:55:32,548 –> 00:55:36,156
Like mom’s in charge of the education of the kids, and if

900
00:55:36,188 –> 00:55:39,932
she institutes, you know, a thing, then I’ll go along with

901
00:55:39,956 –> 00:55:43,380
it. Right. But I think the dads need to really

902
00:55:43,540 –> 00:55:47,042
step up and take, take a leadership role

903
00:55:47,186 –> 00:55:50,962
in the spiritual side of preparedness for

904
00:55:50,986 –> 00:55:54,714
the future. Yeah. Amen. We are called to be

905
00:55:54,762 –> 00:55:57,946
stewards, and God uses the picture of

906
00:55:57,978 –> 00:56:01,810
stewardship in his word in many ways. He talks about stewardship of

907
00:56:01,850 –> 00:56:05,682
money, stewardship of resources. It’s no less of

908
00:56:05,706 –> 00:56:09,090
a calling to be stewards of our children’s hearts and

909
00:56:09,130 –> 00:56:12,860
lives. And, man, when you talk about child abuse, I can’t

910
00:56:12,900 –> 00:56:16,724
think of any worse form of abuse than not

911
00:56:16,812 –> 00:56:19,844
stewarding our children toward a life of

912
00:56:19,892 –> 00:56:23,172
eternal gladness, eternal service of the

913
00:56:23,196 –> 00:56:26,920
king. So, man, I thank you, Andrew, for your time today.

914
00:56:27,580 –> 00:56:31,060
I do want to touch on one more thing real quick. You

915
00:56:31,100 –> 00:56:34,636
mentioned culture. When we’re talking about creeds and

916
00:56:34,748 –> 00:56:38,486
songs and scriptures, and you said culture, but this isn’t

917
00:56:38,558 –> 00:56:42,406
macro culture which influences us. Right. Right. This

918
00:56:42,438 –> 00:56:45,422
is micro culture that we should be

919
00:56:45,566 –> 00:56:49,102
nurturing and then taking out to influence the

920
00:56:49,126 –> 00:56:52,686
greater culture. Yeah. I mean, you’ve just opened up a whole

921
00:56:52,718 –> 00:56:56,294
nother hour of talking that could happen here, because culture,

922
00:56:56,342 –> 00:56:59,990
yes, culture has three. Well, probably more than three, but

923
00:57:00,030 –> 00:57:03,560
three particular definitions. One would be

924
00:57:03,670 –> 00:57:06,860
the stuff that humans create that’s in the world around us. So when you say

925
00:57:06,900 –> 00:57:10,436
culture, most people think of, okay, you know, the

926
00:57:10,468 –> 00:57:13,732
movies, the books, the music, the art, the architecture,

927
00:57:13,836 –> 00:57:17,556
the, you know, the stuff on the walls, the

928
00:57:17,588 –> 00:57:20,880
stuff that comes through screens, that’s all culture. Right.

929
00:57:21,300 –> 00:57:24,916
And then if you think of the corporate culture, would be kind of the way

930
00:57:24,988 –> 00:57:28,796
we do stuff around here. So in our

931
00:57:28,828 –> 00:57:32,444
company, we, we try to create a particular corporate

932
00:57:32,532 –> 00:57:36,164
culture for a purpose. And our company is a little different

933
00:57:36,212 –> 00:57:39,280
than other companies. And the bigger the company,

934
00:57:39,940 –> 00:57:43,460
the broader and harder that may be to do. A family has a

935
00:57:43,500 –> 00:57:47,284
corporate culture the way you do stuff. But both of these

936
00:57:47,372 –> 00:57:51,052
words don’t really have the full impact until you look at the

937
00:57:51,076 –> 00:57:54,772
petri dish definition. The culture. You have

938
00:57:54,796 –> 00:57:58,348
a culture in biology class, a little dish of

939
00:57:58,364 –> 00:58:02,020
yellow jello. You drop something in, and then what’s supposed

940
00:58:02,060 –> 00:58:05,436
to happen? It’s supposed to grow. If your culture is

941
00:58:05,508 –> 00:58:09,052
good, you’ll grow whatever you’re trying to grow, bacteria or mold or

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whatever. If your culture is antiseptic, you

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won’t grow what you’re trying to grow, or you’ll grow something you’re not trying to

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grow. So what we have to do is match

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culture with what we’re trying to grow. And so

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that’s why I always say, you know, yeah, dad, mom, you

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can’t change the books and the movies and the architecture and

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the art and the fashion and the stuff that comes through screens in the

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world. You have no control over that. But you have a

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lot of control over what comes into your home and what’s coming

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through the screens and out of the speakers and is on the walls and in

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the refrigerator and in the closets of your own home.

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So are those things going to grow?

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What you’re trying to grow, which I would argue in this case,

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is the code and the creed of faith.

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And so that definition of culture is where

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we really need to hold. And, you know, 300 years ago,

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there was no market for pornography, right? Sure, it

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existed on the fringe, but it wasn’t like a billion users of

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pornhub. Why? Because most people

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valued the judeo christian

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identity, that they believed that there’s a God and

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he created us and there’s moral laws, and if we strive to

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follow those laws and obey Christ and

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sacrifice for Christ and for others, then we would be

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benefited. And as a society, that’s where everybody

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lived and thought. So there was no market

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for bad books. There was no market for

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00:59:46,298 –> 00:59:49,850
ugly, violent music. There was no market for immodest

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00:59:49,930 –> 00:59:53,642
clothing because nobody wanted it. And so you

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had to eliminate God, as we discussed already

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has happened by bringing in atheistic,

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darwinist, anti anthropology.

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And I loved your use of that. Anthropology, the study of

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what is Mandev? Right. We had to change all that

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before we could capitalize on these

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ugly, wrong, evil things that

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degrade the human soul. So we can’t change the world. I

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can’t prevent someone from creating bad music, but I can

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certainly control what comes into the lives of my

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children through the environment,

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through the culture, the petri dish of the home. So maybe

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01:00:38,578 –> 01:00:42,426
that’s a, you know, that’s a good way to leave people,

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is, you know, is the culture in your home

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01:00:45,618 –> 01:00:49,442
growing what you’re trying to grow in

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your children. Amen. I could not sum

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01:00:53,314 –> 01:00:57,098
up the sum of this whole podcast better

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than that. We are to be culturing in our

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homes what we want to see out in culture at

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large. Thank you, Andrew. What a blessing.

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I will tell you now, you’re right. We’ve got another hour to

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talk, so I’d love to have you back next season if that’s possible.

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Sure. And we can talk about culture and post

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modernism because we’ve cracked a huge can of

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01:01:21,834 –> 01:01:25,642
worms here. Well, and maybe, maybe you

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01:01:25,666 –> 01:01:29,190
could reach out to the author of that book,

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01:01:30,020 –> 01:01:33,724
Carl Truman. Uh huh. Maybe he’d be willing to be a guest

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01:01:33,772 –> 01:01:37,524
on your podcast. Yeah. Because I think you’re, I think it’s going to go

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01:01:37,572 –> 01:01:41,300
really well. Garrett, thank you. Get a lot of traction here. So

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God bless you. Thank you. I really appreciate that. Andrew, you’re a

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blessing to me. You’re a blessing to our family. And for those

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of you who don’t know, Andrew’s also a huge part of the

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movie. We made schoolhouse rocked, the homeschool revolution.

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And I can attest to Andrew’s course

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01:01:59,898 –> 01:02:03,410
of personal discipline because if you watch the

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01:02:03,450 –> 01:02:07,110
movie, it’s a little bit of a different Andrew in that movie, right?

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01:02:07,530 –> 01:02:11,290
Yeah, I’m a little puffy and look a little less

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01:02:11,330 –> 01:02:14,978
healthy, I’d say. Plus I decided to sport the beard to hide more of the

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01:02:14,994 –> 01:02:18,826
wrinkles, but. That’S, it works for you. I have had the blessing

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01:02:18,858 –> 01:02:22,450
of knowing Andrew now for about seven and a half

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01:02:22,530 –> 01:02:26,318
years and ive watched Andrew do this day to day and I

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01:02:26,334 –> 01:02:29,890
can tell you that what hes saying is based

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01:02:30,670 –> 01:02:34,174
in applied wisdom. So thank you, Andrew, so

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01:02:34,222 –> 01:02:37,774
much. How can listeners connect with you? Yeah, super

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01:02:37,822 –> 01:02:40,854
easy. I have a podcast, its called the Arts of language

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01:02:40,902 –> 01:02:44,742
podcast or just search my name. Andrew Pudewa. P u d

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01:02:44,766 –> 01:02:48,166
e w a. There’s almost no one else with that name

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01:02:48,198 –> 01:02:51,774
around. And then our website is IEW.com

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01:02:51,862 –> 01:02:55,422
and we have curriculum that supports children in developing the

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skills of listening, thinking, reading, writing and listening, speaking,

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01:02:59,158 –> 01:03:02,886
reading, writing and thinking. So we’d love to help you out in that way

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if, if we can. They are great resources over there. Our

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01:03:06,710 –> 01:03:10,342
family has used iew for like ten years

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01:03:10,366 –> 01:03:14,182
now. Our girls love Iew and we started

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out with IEW resources in Classical Conversations

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01:03:18,058 –> 01:03:21,570
when our girls were just little ones. I have a graduating

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01:03:21,650 –> 01:03:25,474
senior now, Andrew, who really has learned to speak

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01:03:25,522 –> 01:03:28,790
and write and think in large part because of IEW.

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01:03:29,090 –> 01:03:32,098
So I want to ask you gentlemen to stop by

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01:03:32,154 –> 01:03:35,674
ThinkingDad.net. Check out the show notes.

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01:03:35,802 –> 01:03:39,050
You’ll see links to all of these resources. You can connect with

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01:03:39,090 –> 01:03:42,936
Andrew. We’ll have links to the books. Also, while you’re

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01:03:42,968 –> 01:03:46,328
there, you can pick up a t shirt. Today I am sporting

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01:03:46,384 –> 01:03:49,984
my “Proudly Raising Unsocialist Homeschoolers”

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01:03:50,032 –> 01:03:53,856
t-shirt, which apply applies perfectly to this conversation.

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Pick one up. It’s a great statement and it helps to support what

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01:03:57,696 –> 01:04:01,248
we’re doing here. While you’re there, I’d like to ask you to sign up for

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our newsletter. Because this is a seasonal podcast. The

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01:04:05,008 –> 01:04:08,666
newsletter is the best way to know what’s coming up on the show when new

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01:04:08,698 –> 01:04:12,354
seasons are happening, who our guests are. So sign up for there.

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01:04:12,402 –> 01:04:16,082
We promise not to spam you. And also, if you’d like to support

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01:04:16,146 –> 01:04:19,010
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01:04:19,050 –> 01:04:22,642
donation at ThinkingDad.net. Check it out.

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01:04:22,746 –> 01:04:26,586
I hope you’ve been encouraged by my talk with Andrew today. He’s such

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01:04:26,618 –> 01:04:30,354
a blessing. Stick around till the very end to hear a clip of what’s coming

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01:04:30,402 –> 01:04:34,130
up next on the Thinking Dad, and we will see you back here

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01:04:34,170 –> 01:04:34,530
real soon.